Half the country are traitors.

Yup, I exposed this fallacy of yours.

That was WRONG because they took SPLITTING the state into 3 parts OFF the ballot.

 

Splitting is the result, secession is the action. The point is the courts removed the people's Legal ballot initiative. Once the votes are cast.......then it should go to court if challenged. This was a preemptive political maneuver by the very same courts sworn to uphold the constitution. Prog logic Prog court.

Sooner or later people will stop listing to the courts......and rightfully so when ignoring the will of the people.

History backs me.

 

Your fallacious opinion is duly noted for it's complete and utter LACK of any credible substantiation.

 

Poor feller, your cornered.

 

Projection. Is this your intellectual fall back memes that gives you an exit? Your snobbish boring 10 cent words could not save you?

Let me know when you want to talk California and the US constitution. California demonstrated it gets to pick and choose what ballot initiative goes forward......not the people, plain and simple.

I do suggest you get to know a farmer, rancher or hillbilly and befriend them.They might not speak pretty with 10 syllable words and may smell like dirt but the bounty of wisdom is simple, direct and priceless.

 

Yet another member of the alt right that is incapable of ever admitting when they are PROVEN WRONG by the documented FACTS!

 

I will admit when I am wrong, fact is I embrace it but as for our conversation no need has arisen.

The funny in all of this is the word projection comes to mind. Anyways, time to go......feed the chickens, mow the grass and have an appointment with a gunsmith. I am stoked that my rifle from 1943 is getting new glass, put new furniture on her last month. She is damn sexy.........

Isn't Liberty grand. Just walking away from this monstrosity of a conversation with you makes for a good day. Talk with you tonight but please........please leave your 10 cent verbiage on the doormat when you come in, we keep a tidy home.

 

Thank you again for proving me 100% right about your inability to admit when PROVEN WRONG by the DOCUMENTED FACTS!

 

Then I'd say about 25% of Americans are in decidedly obnoxious company. Wouldn't you?

What you need to explain is how the hell a country which only came into existence by way of union can remain a country without it.

Sure, what could be more dispositive as to the motivations of the Founders than the observations of a man born after 14A was ratified?

Sure we can, if we're willing to accept a lie as fact; but only one of us is willing.

No one who thinks "irreconcilable differences" are sufficient to justify divorce is qualified to render such an assessment.

If you get what you want, there will be more of all that, not less.

 

I don't know where you got that idea. Only person I know of who is highly suspicious of treason, or more precisely, only person I know who is suspicious of treason at all....is Trump.

 

Definition of Treason:
Disagreeing with me.

 

You're right, these people are so dumb that they are willing to cut off their own noses just to spite their faces.
If we leave it up to them, we will go back to the days of exploding Pintos, toxic Love canals and burning rivers like we used to see around Cleveland.

 

You keep claiming it was a failure, but you never actually explain why.

That's because it wasn't really a failure. But by repeating your claim over and over again, it takes on the appearance of fact.

In other words, you're spewing propaganda.

 

Winning your independence from the mightiest empire on the planet qualifies as a success in the minds of reasonable people.

 

And then becoming a modern day empire yourself while the other empire declines into insubordination.

 

No, it is a statement of fact.

The country of America is much more than just a political union between the States. If the union were dissolved this instant, the country would not magically disappear. The American people and their institutions would not vanish into a puff of smoke as you seem to believe.

 

That's true, the reason being for a USA though was the idea that the smaller governments could not regulate themselves(see: Shay's rebellion) as well as possible outsiders. In reality, inner US turmoil is not only Putin's goal, it is the goal of our allies and enemies alike. No one would like nothing more than for the US to be a disabled country.

I'd rather try to make the USA manifest its true union, then to surrender the union.

 

Not only is the US an empire, it is the most powerful and extensive empire in history.

 

The US empire is in a period of obvious decline as well. All the signs are there: Unsustainable spending and debt, heavy taxation, onerous bureaucracy, rampant corruption, intellectual decay, extravagant militarism, a domestic police state, etc.

 

Sad that you think that. Its not true.

 

Except they could and did regulate themselves between 1776 and 1788. Shay's rebellion was a populist uprising against corruption and elitism. Naturally, the elitists saw this as a terrible thing that needed to be crushed. And that is why they concocted the union, to crush democracy and usher in an era of elitist control over a vast empire. Jefferson had it exactly right when he said about Shay's rebellion:

The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an instance of rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independent 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusetts: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen-yard in order.

 

Oh, perfectly agreed. I should have clarified: The Empire isn't of the ignoble sort of the British, Greek or Roman Empires. I do want to restore the State(as I'm sure you've seen my posts plenty of times.) To me, it's a warped oligarchy, that is just missing the kind of emperor/head of state with the kind of charisma necessary to turn it around.

America's never had charismatic leaders. Not even Obama due to his own personality issues.

 

It is true. You are in denial of the facts, as usual.

 

Wow, so that's the full context of the 'tree of liberty' quote of Jefferson's. And to be fair/honest to history, I didn't know much of the rebellion outside of what was taught in public schools: It was a rebellion, we quelled it and the federal republic was born in 1787. But Jefferson does make an argument that a rebellion(protest) is good for the public, even if under a misguided premise.

Though he makes a passionate argument, I can see the side of the Colonists(and maybe my protectionist side sides with it.) what significance does a few lives make? Well, with what we've learned with BLM/Antifa, ETC is that each violent act is met with another violent act. Far from pacifying the actors, it only encourages further violence.

That's at least my opinion. While it was one rebellion back then, it could be more in fact in the future.