Harvard Grad Student Facing Eviction over Legally Owned and Stored Firearms

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  1. PRAIRIEOUTLAW

    PRAIRIEOUTLAW Member

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    I don't think I said she left the guns unlocked. Maybe you should re-read what I posted. I specifically said that the door was enough to provide evidence that people should stay out.
     
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  2. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    If the students found them so could anyone else so yes they were within reach. You wrote

    "Now, after I have had a little one, I am more aware of those guns, and when he is able to walk and until he is old enough to realize the responsibility that comes with guns, yea.... They will be out of reach."

    Since you wrote it's not rocket science to keep a child out of a room then why don't you just leave your guns in an unlocked room instead of keeping them out of reach of your little one! Your desperation to defend an irresponsible gun owner is embarrassing.
     
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    Show me with quotes where the guns were not in a secured location.... Just because you THINK they were laying on the bed for everyone to see doesn't mean they were.

    In fact, if you would actually READ the article, you would see that she was complying with Massachusett law which requires the guns be stored under lock and key. (That is the law of that sate just in case you don't know)
    Resource to PROVE that the girl WAS storing the firearm in a safe manner according to the toughest standards in the nation: https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section131L

    Here, read it from the article yourself this time to see that she WAS in compliance with that state's law:

    "The landlord, Avid Management’s Dave Lewis, then emailed the apartment residents, including Pirnie, to say he had checked with local police, who verified the guns were “being safely and legally stored under lock and key.” Despite Pirnie’s compliance with the law, Lewis then cited the roommates’ discomfort with firearms as grounds for Pirnie to move out of the apartment."

    I'm not sure if its reading comprehension or if you are just blinded by hate for guns, but something seems to be missing between the ears here! Now... Who seems to be embarrassing themselves?
     
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    You and your rights. If I was her landlord she would remove them or I would not renew her lease.
     
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    If you owned 275 of 'em unlocked and loaded, I would question your stability.
     
  6. PRAIRIEOUTLAW

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    Funny how those things called RIGHTS can't be removed legally without due process isn't it??? I'm not sure if you realize it or not, but anything that CAN be removed without due process isn't a right.... It's a privilege and I'm pretty sure the BILL OF RIGHTS don't outline privileges.
    As for what you would do as a land lord, you don't get that call.... You're not her land lord, and even if you were in certain states, you couldn't. There are only a few states that allow you the ability to even put that in a lease.
     
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    Why? because they scare you? Where does it say she had ANY guns unlocked OR loaded? I'd love for you to point it out from the article....
    I've given 100% indisputable evidence that according to Massachusetts law and from what we have from the original article that she was within the code of law which required her to have them locked away....
    Now prove me wrong.
     
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    I don't need a reason. There are legal steps that I can take to have all those guns removed.
     
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    They don't scare me. 275 loaded guns unlocked? Somethin is wrong, bro.
     
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    This is a case of an off-campus landlord.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Universal background checks will do almost nothing but harass the law-abiding.

    Bump stocks have been involved in one crime that Ive ever heard of--the Las Vegas hotel mass shootings. Banning them won't do a thing. (I have no problem with banning them via laws, I just don't like them being banned by arbitrary executive action.).

    Define mental problems?

    Most of the mass shooters have owned their guns for weeks if not months. A waiting period, again, just harasses the law-abiding, and won't do a thing to stop crime. Basically speaking, the best thing to do is harshly punish felons. Keep them in prison long enough, so they can't commit more crimes.
     
  12. truth and justice

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    Explain how the guns were stored under lock and key if the students found the guns. I'll explain what happened simply for you. The guns were found not "locked and under key". Several days later the girl came back to the house. Then there was a meeting between the housemates. Then an email was sent to the landlord. Then the landlord contacted the police. Then finally the police said that the guns are now stored legally. Do you get it and do you see at which point in that sequence of events the guns were finally stored under lock and key? Have you even bothered to read the email sent to the landlord? https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/0.jpg. Why are you so against the request of the other students who stated that they are happy for her guns to remain provided the guns are locked and kept in a secured container?

    So that deals with your reply to my first sentence in my post you quoted so how about giving an answer to the main part of my post?
     
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    That's unreasonable, unless the landlord had a stipulation about not having guns. The lady had stored them according to MA law, and owned them legally according to MA law. There is no rational reason that, absent a clause in the lease, that she not be allowed to keep them in the apartment. On lease renewal time, the landlord can change the terms, but until then, there should be no way to prevent her from owning and keeping a legal product in her rented home. The lady had been threatened by a former lover and had been in an abusive situation. She obeyed all relevant laws. It's just irrational to not let her finish out the lease.
     
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    The guns could have had trigger locks on them, meaning they were under lock and key but were visible. If the landlord didn't want guns, that should have been in the lease. She should be allowed to finish the lease, and then renegotiate. A roommate agreement doesn't have legal standing. It's just an agreement.
     
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    I would accept that suggestion if the girl actually stated in one of her many interviews and press statements that the guns when found had trigger locks on them but she hasn't said that. There is only one reason for her not to say that and that is the guns were not under lock and key. If they were she would have told the world and got everyone on her side. And the other roommates stated that in the meeting the girl said that she kept her guns loaded and unlocked.

    I really have a hard time trying to figure out why so many are defending her. Is it your opinion that every gun owner is a responsible owner? If not, what evidence is there that she is a responsible gun owner?
     
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    Yes we have heard that same nonsense before from gun nuts clueless enough to think that educating kids about guns somehow gives them the judgement of adults. Works just as well for parents who think they have educated their children about sex and drugs.
    Yes that will certainly work to prevent mass shootings.
     
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    Sure and closing the front door on your house will keep burglers out.

    As for the rest read post #7 again.
     
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    Read post #7 again.
     
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    Well if the number of deaths from guns is acceptable then no point in worrying. Maybe you will be lucky enough to give your life so others can use guns irresponsibly. A martyr to the cause
     
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    They also engaged in a conspiracy to violate his civil rights, which under federal law, is a felony.
     
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    I'd love to see you try.... You don't have any legal authority to remove anything. Period!
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is true.
    Yes, he does.
     
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    Try to keep up! You obviously CANNOT READ or simply do not care to try. You have yet to show me ANYWHERE that even hints that she had a gun that was not secured, while I have shown proof several times that they WERE secured according to Massechussett law which requires them to be inoperable either by lock and key or other accepted method. This is nothing more than a case of a liberal butthurt group of sniveling little brats that wanted to cry about a legal gun owner, likely because they disagreed with her politically.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it is a matter of law. You just don't know how to use it. Owning a gun or being a gun enthusiast does not make you an expert on law any more than owning a car makes you a mechanic.
     
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    You obviously didn't read the final paragraph of the email. The person that penned that email clearly has NO intention of living in peace with her because they are not happy about the guns being in the house. They CLEARLY said they DO NOT KNOW if the guns are locked or not. Furthermore, requesting that someone "removes the firing pin" from a firearm for "safe storage" when they are obviously defensive firearms is insane. These are the same old liberal arguments that the left has been trying to sell for years.... You don't fool anyone and neither do the roomates.
    Her room is her private area and the roomates should keep their snowflake butts out of it. You have still not provided ANY real evidence other than what you THINK happened of the guns not being stored in an acceptable manner.
     

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