Has the Republican Party become irrelevant?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Sandy Shanks, Apr 27, 2023.

  1. Chrizton

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    Leftist have been having a GOP is Over party as long as I can recall. It never really has worked out for them in the end.
     
  2. Joe knows

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    You find the term LGBTI in that quote either. You’re knowingly adding perceptions of yours, and not of the original post. However, what does any of this have to do with uneducated vs educated? Do you have a point?
     
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    No, you used LGBTQ. Clearly you think that makes some difference. Good for you. I am focussed on the indifference to an act of mass murder.

    You held yourself up as an example of someone who was 'uneducated' while dismissing college educated people as 'brainwashed fools'. I think it is useful to see what you consider as an acceptable worldview when you are making that judgement. Your complete indifference to the murder of people simply because they are different to you was something you just had to tell us all about, to the point where you started a thread to do so.

    For those of us who are 'brainwashed fools' in your eyes knowing that you proudly hold such views and feel the need to share them help put your judgements about us in their correct pespective.
     
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    What you question there is the decency of the author. I dont see any connection to the education discussion.
     
  5. WalterSobchak

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    My mistake, you didn't edit your murder statement. You proudly kept it up in the other thread where it was quoted here.
     
  6. Joe knows

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    I wouldn’t call it indifferent. I don’t advocate or endorse murder of anyone. Let me be clear that it wasn’t my intent. As far as empathy, yes I have empathy and I displayed that in that thread very poorly. I will admit a shortfall.
     
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    To answer the OP, the GOP is providing proof to the nation on a daily basis how irrelevant they have become. If the GOP doesn't change course and start supporting the social issues that the youth and Women in our Country support, who by the way are the vast majority, they will lose a lot more of elections.
     
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    both parties are irrelevant and exist solely to secure their own power. There is in fact only one “party” made up of oligarchs. The two political parties are a sham, existing to create the divide we have in our country today to keep us easier to manipulate and control. Their master stroke was to convince most of the population that the two party system is the best possible and to vote for anyone but the two parties is throwing away your vote. That is only true if the American people continue to buy into their illusion.
     
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    Saying that you don't care about people who have just been murdered and complaining that their murder will just serve to give publicity to people like them is definitionally indifferent. In fact, that is about the nicest word you could use. You keep repeating that you don't endorse or advocate murder depite me never having claimed you did - fascinating.

    I'm glad that having been publically called out months later has led you to reconsider your attitude. Hopefully the first step down a better path.
     
  10. Sandy Shanks

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    This Republican dealt with the issues in the OP by saying everything I said was a lie.

    Obviously, that is not true. Everything I said was based on news reports from respected news sources, the Times, the Post, NPR, Reuters, the Guardian, CNN, Fox, NBC, and others.

    Apparently, the Republican didn't have the background to know what I described were true events reported nation-wide. But he didn't know that, which kind of proves my point.
     
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    Then you should have no problem disputing what I posted, yet I don't see anything your disputing
     
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    I believe you are wrong. The Republicans are digging themselves a hole with issues like harsh laws on abortion, their meaningless attacks on wokeness, CRT, transgender persons, Disney, and women's rights. Republicans leaders do not talk about what their party is doing, and neither do the forum's Republicans. Check out the threads started by Republicans.

    The leader of the Republican Party and the leading Republican candidate for the Presidency has been criminally indicted. It is very likely more indictments will follow for the his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection attempt, theft of hundreds of pages of classified documents discovered by an FBI search of his residence in Florida, and interference in Georgia's elections.

    Recently, Trump's vice-president, Pence, testified against him in a federal grand jury.

    Yet, you say Republicans will win in 2024. Maybe in some southern states where the rural population listens to the farm report, but not ABC, CBS,or NBC. Republicans will not win nationally and in the general election. They won't win the Senate or the House.

    "President Trump famously declared during his 2016 campaign that he loved the “poorly educated” because voters with lower levels of schooling delivered an overwhelming share of votes to him," the conservative Washington Times.

    You get my point.
     
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    Yes, because rural states outnumber the more heavily populated industrialized states. They won a four-seat majority.

    It was a mid-term election with an unpopular Democratic President. They should have won a lot more, including a Senate majority. They actually lost a seat in the Senate. Republicans did poorly in governorships and state legislatures as well.

    Republican leaders regard the 2022 midterm as a loss.
     
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    Today’s numbers are below. If it’s Biden vs. Trump, they’d basically tied today. No one knows what the numbers will be for next year. I don’t pay any attention to Republicans and Democrats, I know how they’ll vote. They’ll come close to canceling each other out. I do pay a whole lot of attention to independents. They decide national elections, not the party faithful or base or whatever one wants to call them.


    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html


    What I find interesting as of today, is independents are tied, Trump and Biden 41% each if those two matchup?. Biden won the independent vote back in 2020 54-41. A tie is a huge difference than a plus 13 win in 2020. Besides, only 39% of independents approve of the job Biden is doing. They’re mighty disappointed in him.The big difference was 2020 was a referendum on Trump’s four years as president, 2024 will be a referendum on Biden’s four years.


    You could be right or not. It’s too early to put any faith in today’s numbers for November 2024. But what they do is let you know where things stand today. If the election were today, it’s a pure 100% tossup.
     
  15. Joe knows

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    Oh, it’s not a reconsideration. Just correcting the way I presented myself. I still do not like the LGBTQHSF or whatever you want to call them. They go against anything education has to teach anyone about biology which is why it’s no surprise you’re here defending them.
     
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    Guess not then. Oh well, I suppose it was too much to hope for. 'Brainwashed fools' indeed.
     
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    The uneducated voted for Trump? I was unaware of Black People voting for him in any kind of numbers.
     
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    It’s definitely too much to ask for an educated individual to acknowledge that it is impossible for a male to become a female. It’s also obvious on why your dancing around this even though you brought up the topic of transgenders. So, tell me… Can a man become a woman?
     
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    If you want a perfect example of 'brainwashed fools' I can think of none better than the conservative obsession with trans people. You were so obsessed with them that you shrugged off a mass murder in your rush to tell us how much you dislike them. Others here seem to post about them on a near daily basis. At CPAC there was talk of 'wiping out' this demographic (yes, I know they used a different form of words, but anyone wiht a brain...). You attempt to define entire swathes of the population by their attitude to them.

    A tiny percentage of the population who are hurting no one by being who they are, yet there is this rabid obsession among conservatives. That is as impressive an example of brainwashing as I can imagine.
     
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    Again… dancing around the question. I’ll ask again. You’re an educated man and this should be an easy answer. You should also be able to support it with physical facts. Can a man become a woman or a woman become a man? What physical facts are there that supports this?
     
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    You guys said Republicans were losing ground. Now you admit that they are not.
     
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    It’s funny when I hear people talk about populated areas. The vast majority of populated areas don’t even know how water rights work. Something that basic, and yet they want tell us how life works.
     
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    Interesting how, as a Republican, you completely ignored what was said in my reply to you. In fact, because I have dealt with what the Republican party is doing and the nature of its leadership, every Republican in this thread has ignored what the Republican Party is doing.

    That is, of course, the entire point of this thread.
     
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    This Republican responded by saying:

    Joe knows loved the Republican's reply.

    "President Trump famously declared during his 2016 campaign that he loved the “poorly educated” because voters with lower levels of schooling delivered an overwhelming share of votes to him," the conservative Washington Times.
     
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    You asked the question, “Has the Republican Party become irrelevant?” That was the title of this thread. My answer is no. Not when the GOP may win the next election. Not when it controls the house of representatives. Not when the leaders of both major parties, Trump and Biden have about the same low favorable rating, the same high unfavorable rating and are basically tied in a head to head matchup for the presidency. A matchup that close to 60% of all Americans don’t want.


    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/wo8h43uvsg/econTabReport.pdf


    I would say the Republican Party is very relevant considering the above. You may not like their relevancy or what they stand for or what they’re doing or not doing. But that doesn’t make the GOP irrelevant.

    I'll tell you who is irrelevant, the 60% of Americans who don't want Biden to run again along with the 60% who don't want Trump to run again either.
     
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