Hatred of the military is just plain stupid.

IMO hatred of the military is just plain stupid. Millions of men and women have joined the military, never got into combat, and have been educated in any number of job categories that started them in the labor force.

My youngest son and I are great examples of what military training can do. We both went thru electronics training in the Navy. I ended up working in the electronics and computer field for 47 years. My son used his GI bill and went to college also. While he was in the Navy, he alone was in charge and ran a 3 million dollar diagnostic computer. He is now a computer network administrator with great responsibility and good pay.

What is almost a crime is the fact that liberals like Obama hate the military, and yet claim they are "for poor people". Yet if kids from poor families would join the military they can get a free education in hundreds of job catagories.

BTW I can attest to the fact that Navy schools are far better than public schools when it come to education. I for instance learned more math in the first 10 weeks in Navy electronics school than I learned in 12 years of public school.

 

I've always felt that one mistake Harry Truman made was changing the name of the War Department to the Department of Defense.

We've been fighting agressive wars ever since.

I don't hate the military.

But I do dispise the culture of institutional corruption that has grown up around it.

 

No one hates the military. However, the fact that the US government spends outrageous amounts of money, not on the soldiers and personnel, but on the contractors and corporations. Not to mention, the declaration of the War in Iraq needlessly killed over 4,500 of our own troops. You could argue Afghanistan is necessary, but there is no end to remain in the country.

Being part of the military is the most patriotic career a person could achieve. It isn't "hating the military" but calling for reduction on contract spending in the defense department.

 

I don't see much "hate" for the military but I see plenty of people who don't want to fund it properly.

 

In 1965, I attended electronics classes at Keesler Air Force Base. I learned more electronics in under 6 months than someone with a two year Ascociates degree in civilian schools. After I got out in 1968, I was able to get a bachelors degree in Electronics using the GI bill.

Back then, the people of America spit on us, called us baby killers and rapists, threw bags of feces at our cars outside the base, and generally told us to go to hell. The government, on the other hand, took pretty good care of us for the most part.

Today, the people shower returning troops with accolades and tributes worthy of heroes. But the government seems to be leaving them out in the cold. I cry every time I see an ad on TV for the Wounded Warrior program. As bad as it was for those of us coming back from Vietnam, none of us had to go begging for help on TV. That is the most criminal thing I have ever seen.

I can only hope that some of those right wing tax cutting fanatics wind up crippled and disabled, dead broke and begging in the streets. THEN they will know what the decent people have been talking about all this time.

 

Nevermind the fact that:
- The US military kills more civilians that "terrorists".
- The US military drops bombs and missiles on sovereign countries, violating international law.
- The US military commits acts that fit it's own definition of terrorism.
- The US military violates the Geneva Conventions.
- The US military trains to fights its own people and place political dissidents in concentration camps.

You probably shouldn't worship the people who will put a gun to your head, pull the trigger, and watch your body fall into a ditch.

 

Following your train of logic must of course lead us to the conclusion that people who serve in the military are inherently evil.

 

Liberal, lying cowards tend to denigrate the military!

 

There are reasons for an organization like Wounded Warrior. But that does not imply that the VA is not doing its job the way congress allows and funds it. Remember, the VA itself does not determine who is eligible. The VA does not make the decisions where VA hospitals or clinics are. That is all determined by congress and is funded by congress.

I am a disabled veteran and I have never been denied care or assistance. Most difficulties in receiving VA medical care has to do with the location of the facility relative to the individual. If I want more than simple outpatient clinic assistance I must travel to Montgomery VA hospital which is about 85 miles away. (the VA will pay my travel) Because I am 78 and have medicare it is much more easy for me to use that instead of VA care, but should I choose, I can call the VA hospital and get an appointment with a specialist with less wait time than calling a local specialist, and my disability compensation is Johnny on the spot every month.

The VA hospital system has been held to be the finest medical care system in the US.

If there is a service connected disabled Veteran living broke and in the streets it is not the fault of the VA. To get recognized and compensated all it takes if for the veteran to enter the system and become certified. It does take a while because of the sheer numbers involved, but those who choose to live disabled on the streets have to take the first action. The VA cannot go out and solicit homeless veterans.

 

Evil? No. Trained to do x, y, and z without conscience, thought, or remorse?

Absolutely.

 

Considering the US Military can just go anywhere int he world, kill anyone they want and get away with it...

...you'll have to forgive me for not being a fan.

 

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That is absolutely not true. Ethics is one of the training issues in every branch of service. Look to our civilian "leadership" when questioning the ethics of a specific type of military action, not the soldier.

 

I don't think people necessarily "hate" the military. For me, at least, I just don't like the blatant worship of the military among many Americans, especially when they interpret any criticism as being unpatriotic.

 

If those things disturb you, you need to vote for more competent government CIVILIAN leadership. The Military cannot make the decisions to do the things you don't like.

 

The issue is not whether or not you criticize someone, it is whether or not you are criticize the right persons. When one hates a military act, remember is is CIVILIAN leadership which directs those acts be committed.

 

^As a Navy vet, I can say that it's quite possibly the best springboard for poor young people. Oh, and if anyone's interested, my graduation present from my parents was a Bible and $500 towards my first semester's tuition, a one time deal. Now that I'm at college, it can in some way be frustrating to see some of my friend's whose parents pay the full bill, give them spending money, a car, a phone, pay for clothes etc., and then the guy complains/wishes his parents would just get him x. But there's a certain kind of pride in knowing that what I have I got.

Like I said, it's a great springboard. Speaking for myself, I got totally screwed over by the Navy, but I still came out as a Petty Officer with NCO experience, and have what is probably a more eye-popping resume entry than almost anyone under 25. I paid for my first year of college with my deployment savings, and am using the GI bill to cover the next three years of undergrad and part of law school. It's pretty cool to know for certain that you can get a law degree (or some other graduate degree) and have your total student debt be less than your first year's income.

My older brother had a good job in the computer field from his air force training, making $25/hr starting, but he didn't like the work so he used the GI bill to get medical training and is now a surgical tech. My younger brother is some kind of a radioman in the Air Guard, deploying in May, and he's been able to get work on radio towers with roughly the same pay ($25/hr). The military is a great springboard for young people, especially from poor families.

There aren't many people who vocalize a hate for the military, they're kind of a fringe group that you'll mostly hear from on a college campus or in Chicago.

pffft, yeah, but those aren't American civilians, so who cares? jk

but really, your criticism can be said about government in general. Hey, let's all be anarchists!

 

Uh-huh, sounds like the kind of superficial anecdotes often heard from internet dilatantes with no actual knowledge or experience. But I certainly understand the need to compensate for the lack thereof.

 

The military certainly doesn't seem to have any moral qualms with what they're doing. When you let people whose job it is to find better and better ways to kill people run the show instead of keeping them on a leash, you end up with what we have now, where the military wants to do something, Obama just rubber stamps it and they do it. These days, we probably would have let MacArthur nuke China, Patton attack the Soviets or the Marines invade Cuba.

 

With Canadians along for the ride. But what choice do they have? Since the Canadian government is all bought and paid for by the same corporations that control the United States.

 

The only regret I ever have is not joining the military I could have been retired by now.

 

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Government in general, yes, but who pulls the trigger?

 

I support the troops...they risk there lives for this country...


The only war I didn't support was the iraq war
because saddam had no wmds and wasnt involved in 911

 

I like this one better.

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Uh...what does my military having been part of this idiocy (albeit a small part - we don't do much) have to do with the fact that the US Military is blatantly unethical?