Hawaii judge puts Trump's travel ban on hold

It's time Trump gives these crybabies the finger. Right to the Supreme Court. Anti American Democrats will oppose anything Trump does . Come on 2018 ! Get rid of the rest of the anti American Democrats. Seems they are incapable of learning.

 

And go back to the first EO.

 

Federal law says other wise

 

For starters Alien and Sedition Acts, which is still on the books.
8 U.S. Code § 1182 also Similar actions have been taken by previous presidents. The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, signed into law by President Chester Arthur, banned Chinese laborers from immigrating to the U.S. amid concerns of unemployment, particularly on the West Coast. Then, in 1924, President Calvin Coolidge signed the Johnson-Reed Act, which limited the number of immigrants coming to the U.S. while completely barring Asian immigrants.


So yes, Trump can ban people form entering.

 

Given that Trump's first attempt was shot down and then rewritten in an attempt to avoid a legal challenge, your point is self-defeating.

That does not mean he has unlimited power. The court has ruled that he must show cause.

The right wing position is that Trump has unlimited power - that he is a dictator.

 

He has or have you not been reading the news? 1 judge said no well another said no problem, doesn't mean that it was shot down. And for setting precedent The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, signed into law by President Chester Arthur, banned Chinese laborers from immigrating to the U.S. amid concerns of unemployment, particularly on the West Coast. Then, in 1924, President Calvin Coolidge signed the Johnson-Reed Act, which limited the number of immigrants coming to the U.S. while completely barring Asian immigrants.

 

So far at least 5, no, 6 judges disagree - unanimously and including two Republican appointees.

But it you take the word of Inforwars and Breitbart over the judicial system, I understand your confusion.

 

Let see it then.

 

Indeed. Hope all you wish. He doesn't have the power of a dictator. But it is nice of you to admit this is your true desire.

Most people don't have the balls to be honest about that.

 

No, lets see your sources saying 6 judges. I'll wait for as long as I can.

 

Bybee says judges cannot investigate the president's motive for the ban as along as he provides a bona fide and legitimate reason for it. Bybee says the president had done that

https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-judge-trump-power-ban-foreign-travelers-014858160.html

 

Maybe he should stop paying the judge.

 

And yet there is actually nothing Unconstitutional about this one or its predecessor.

You do realize there hasn't been a judgement with that finding for either of these Executive Orders, right?

There has simply been bench orders blocking the implementation.

Nothing has actually gone to court therefore nothing has been ruled on therefore there is no finding.

So it makes me wonder if you just tossing that word around because it sounds like the right one to use or if you have been tricked by the rabid Leftists media that tosses it around just to fool you.

 

without jumping into the weeds on this topic, (at least momentarily)
I find it interesting how the left, both judicially, because these judges are acting politically, not lawfully, but also the left wing of our elected branch are not forward thinking this in the least.
So busy trying to defeat Trump at every turn that they can not see the absolute utter demise of their party for probably 20 years or more, IF
IF one of these "immigrants", or a group of these "immigrants" kills people in an attack of any kind on our soil.
One of the same that Trump is trying to stop from getting in.
And I happen to be of the belief that that possibility has to be rising day by day given the scenario. This person or persons could already be here but that would matter little
to the impact it would have on the political future of people yelling on the roof tops that Trump is simply racist.

911 is but a distant memory and nothing more obviously to a lot of people so mad at the November election they choose not to think this issue through.

 

I hope of course I am wrong

 

I hope you are wrong as well. Any idea of how many terrorist acts have been committed on US soil by immigrants from these 6 countries? Zero, nada, nothing, squat, bumpkiss. If this executive order is truly about protecting the homeland why aren't Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, Lebanon etc. on the list? After all, people from these countries actually have committed terrorist acts in the US, particularly 9/11.

Trump is just satisfying a ridiculous promise he made to a bigoted, scared base, that is what this travel ban is about. His own Homeland Department has told him the greater danger is within the borders, not from immigrants and refugees.

 

I would disagree, the very 9/11 attackers were here because of our lack of security measures.
And thanks for making my point. you seem to think that the political impact will only matter if an attack is from one of the countries on Trumps list.

drink it if you want, or more likely, have another sip of cool aid

 

The Left's platform is painfully simplistic.

Each and every single item in their agenda can be placed into one of two total categories: wealth redistribution and identity.

This issue falls into the identity hysteria category.

The Leftist elite are interested in nothing but invoking rabid identity hysteria in the voters that put them into power.

Leftists are made to believe that blocking policy such as this is about "tolerance" and defeating "hate".

What Leftists fail to understand was that this measure was designed to provide a TEMPORARY pause to the influx of persons from a dangerous radical region due to the fact that the vetting process was critically flawed.

Trump isn't trying to keep Muslims out of America.

He is trying to keep America safe by TEMPORARILY halting migration to give authorities time to develop a better system of vetting.

It was know literally from DAY ****ING ONE that the system we had simply did not work.

In order to vet a person we have to have information about them.

WE DID NOT HAVE THIS INFORMATION!

This FACT was communicated to the Obama administration by each and every single intelligence and law enforcement organization that we have.

Obama ignored that FACT because the triggering revenue was more important than keeping Americans safe.

Leftist media doesn't take about that FACT because informing Leftist voters about that is counter-productive to the identity hysteria.

And Leftist voters don't stop for a moment to consider that FACT because they have been too well conditioned to think only "White Republican hates Muslim".

Our enemies are aware of our vulnerabilities.

These Middle Eastern Muslims might be savages from 3rd world shitholes but they aren't blind to what is going on.

They know we cannot detect their operatives.

They know our race obsessed ignorant Left will protect their inundation at all costs.

They are already here and they will strike.

And when they do the blood of Americans will be on the hands of every Leftists and I hope there will be repercussions.

 

Hawaii is jeopardizing our safety because of a potential "tourism" problem. I guess this country will have to suffer a few more 9/11s before some folks get it. And the only satisfaction the rest of us will get is to say "see I told you so". Which I have every intention of doing.

 

Judges who make rulings based on their political ideology have no business sitting on the bench.

He should be disbarred

 

That is some really, really terrible logic. You are asking me to review a legal argument, to determine that it is nonsense, and the reason that the legal argument is nonsense is because I don't understand politics?

Please. I am an attorney with a BA in political science. I understand both fields, I understand when they collide, and I understand when they are separate.

Tell me WHY these arguments are nonsense because of politics.

 

The man provided you with a 43 page ruling. None of those 43 pages relied on his political ideology. Not to mention that his decision uses the same logic as the decision when originally defeated Trump's first ban. A decision that was upheld by multiple judges, including conservative appointed judges.

 

Will saying, "I told you so" after a "few more 9/11s" provide you with a degree of satisfaction while tens of thousands of Americans die and millions more suffer the consequences of losing friends and families?

****.

And do you really not see the false choice that you are giving between saying that we must have this travel ban (against six countries whose residents have killed precisely ZERO Americans on American soil in the last 15 years) and "a few more 9/11s?"

 

First, the injury to Hawaiian tourism was something alleged as a harm by the State. That was not a finding by the Judge.

Second, putting the word "nothing" in bold does absolutely nothing to strengthen your argument. The judge provided you a 43 page ruling with judicial reasoning that was consistent with other judicial rulings - some endorsed by conservative appointed judges - and being "leftist" was not one of the reasons.

 

Interesting info, apropos of nothing.

On Monday Pres Obama traveled to Hawaii.

http://khon2.com/2017/03/13/former-president-obama-makes-unannounced-visit-to-oahu/
Former President Obama makes unannounced visit to Oahu.

By Web Staff Published: March 13, 2017, 7:55 pm Updated: March 15, 2017, 1:55 pm


Former President Barack Obama is back in the islands.

We heard rumors that he would be in town, and on Monday night, a viewer sent us proof.

Obama returned to one of his regular stops for dinner, Buzz’s Original Steak House in Lanikai. The former president was seen with a much smaller entourage than his last visit, though it still includes a Secret Service detail.

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Obama and Judge Derrick Watson both graduate Harvard Law in 1991.



Watson was born in 1966, in Honolulu, Hawaii. He graduated from the Kamehameha Schools in 1984. He received his Bachelor of Arts degree in 1988 from Harvard College. He received his Juris Doctor in 1991 from Harvard Law School, graduating the same year as President Obama.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrick_Watson

Obama entered Harvard Law School in the fall of 1988, living in nearby Somerville, Massachusetts.[93] graduating with a JD degree magna cum laude[98] from Harvard in 1991.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

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Two Hawaiians at Harvard Law at the same time, same graduation date, they had to know each other....

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On November 14, 2012, President Obama nominated Watson to serve as a United States District Judge for the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii, to the seat vacated by Judge David Alan Ezra, who took senior status on June 27, 2012.[1] On January 2, 2013, his nomination was returned to the President, due to the sine die adjournment of the Senate. He was renominated to the same office the next day. His nomination was reported by the Senate Judiciary Committee on February 14, 2013, by voice vote[3] and confirmed by a vote of 94 ayes to 0 nays on April 18, 2013.[4] He received his commission on April 23, 2013.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrick_Watson

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On March 15, 2017, Judge Watson granted a temporary restraining order blocking President Trump's revised executive order banning entry of designated groups into the United States as violative of the First Amendment's establishment clause.

Again apropos of nothing, Right?

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