Healthcare--a right or not?

I have problems having the FOX that ate the chickens giving me instruction on how to protect the chickens.

But let me explain. What drives up costs so much? It can't be competition. Who goes to any doctor and seeks his schedule of fees?

Health care is not cheap. When you buy a new car, you look at the price sheet. When shopping at the supermarket, you notice or investigate prices. When you pay for gas, you might head to the station with lowest prices.

But health care is exempt from shopping.

Why did this happen? When I was a child, my parents sure shopped for doctors prices. But they did not have insurance. Health care like today is not all that old. Take the time of the creation of prohibition, doctors were going to patients homses to serve patients. Do you see doctors going to homes now? Insurance pays. Who cares what they pay doctors when you have a fixed charge that will hopefully be stable even if you go to doctors a lot? Then you have government paying.

Government is far less interested in doctors prices than are insurance firms. Firms will bargain with doctors. It is not a concern of government. If money gets tight for government, which it seems not to, then it might care about prices.

We have the double whammy of insurance and government. Doctors simply manage very well to be well paid.

 

I passed a guy on the street and it started to rain, so he went to a homeless shelter for the night.
And they helped get him a more permanent roof over his head.

BTW - we have the means, but not everyone accepts the help.

 

I'm guessing you know the reason why healthcare is so expensive as well as I do. The government got into the health care biz, and they don't care how much it costs. They care about voters and keeping their jobs, just like we care about keeping our jobs.

If my boss didn't care what our customers demand because the government was paying for it regardless, then I wouldn't care. I'd just do what was required and to hell with the people I'm seeing as part of my job. My employer is the government, and not the hoi polloi who clutter my work day with stuff they want me to do. They aren't the ones paying me, but my real boss does expect me to pretend that they are.

So I'll just pretend, while charging as much as I can to an employer who doesn't care how much I charge since he doesn't pay the bill out of his own pocket.

This is how healthcare works, and I think our friends on the left understand this. They know exactly how inefficient government and government workers are. We've stood in the exact same DMV lines and waited for the exact same government employees to do their jobs at at the exact same snail paces.

They know how it works, but they don't care. It's either the DMV or no license for them, so they don't care. They're willing to wait because they don't have a choice. Worse still, they don't want a choice because a choice might mean not getting a license at all.

So they don't mind the slow pace of the government. For them, it's the government or nothing.

 

It is a legal entitlement to "emergency medical treatment". Congratulations, you have a legal right to part of the lives of other people! Your unnecessary visits to the emergency room make operating a hospital that much more expensive.

 

There, was that so hard.
We live in a society, civilized even, we are all apart of someone else's life.

I agree, ER rooms are an expensive option to use.
And more and more people were being forced to use that option.

 

It was harder than it needed to be. If you'd read right, I'd only have to say everything once.

 

That healthcare is a right, legally.
That is the topic of the thread, is it or is it not a right.

So how can we make it so this right isn't so expensive by having millions only use ER?

 

Some cities like salt lake city have eliminated chronic homelessness. Eliminated it. Its called Housing First. It can be done

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Yes. Lets do them all. Not perfectly....but lets try

 

what establishes it as a right ?

 

Actually we do

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We simply need to vastly expand that right

 

So who should determine whether someone has a disability or not?

 

Review the posts.

 

The ability might be there, but we obviously aren't all that bothered to do it.

Believe me, there isn't one person sleeping in a cardboard box anywhere in the country who wouldn't trade his cardboard box for an apartment. Not one!

So no, you're going to have to deal with first needs first. Not just that, but you have to convince those of us who don't like the welfare state that it is preferable to no welfare state.

How is housing homeless henry a win-win for me? I can see the win for him because he's sleeping on my sofa and eating at my dinner table, but where is the win for me?

 

I don't want to help you make law-abuse more efficient.

 

Thank you for your opinion but I will decide for myself what needs to be dealt with first. Free healthcare for everyone!!!!!

 

You have no answer ?

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you, shoveling my driveway for free.

 

Sure buddy. That's gonna happen. LOL

 

in before anyone looks into this and finds that the Mormons had more to do with it than the government

 

You say that like the government had no involvement in this? Really? Are you sure? LOL

 

That's fine with me. So long as you're willing to pay for free healthcare for everybody, then where do I send my requisition for another bottle of Geritol?

Let me know ASAP because I'm down to my last few tablets, but don't even know your address.

 

Don't worry. Uncle Sam will take care of it for you. FAR more efficient that way

 

Maximatic and I figured it out. Review if you're really interested. I'm not going back thru the days worth of posting.
But, it has to do with what legal responsibility does a hospital have to provide.

 

No, you decided that you weren't going to wait and that there will be free healthcare for everyone.

If you're not going to pay for it, then you're just virtue signalling. You can't pay for what you want, so you might as well be some guy in a homeless encampment saying "free healthcare for everyone!". Everybody knows you can't afford it, so why even bother saying it?

Sorry boss, but virtue signalling isn't good enough. You can either provide what you promised, or shut the hell up. Get my hopes for free geritol dashed!!!!!!! The frickin' nerve!!!!!

 

Take the blue pill. NOW. It will all be better in a little while. LOL

 

Hospitals don't have to provide anybody with anything. It's only those that maintain emergency rooms that have to provide basic emergency care. As soon as you're considered stable enough to be bumrushed out into the street, you're gonna get bumrushed. Hospitals still maintain emergency rooms because most people still have insurance and if a doctor tells you that he wants to admit you into the hospital, you're more than likely going to go along with the program.

Seriously, is this the depth of thought you have behind your idea that people get free healthcare?

You might be in the wrong conversation because you obviously haven't thought things through.

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Are you going to at least pay for the blue pills?

No, I didn't think you were. You're just virtue signalling.