Healthcare--a right or not?

Anytime you have facts to present.....let us know

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Good luck with that. Lol

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Why is everything personal with you? Stick to the issues

 

So the hobo has a right to "not die"? For how long?

 

Sorry but that is your claim and in no way is a reply to my actual question/comments. I felt for a fact you started taking things personally.

 

Good, then you don't need government, the physicians will do it of their own free will.

 

Of course they will. You and I will pay for it thru taxes. See....that was easy.

 

And a lot more people "need" food than "need" medical care.

 

seems to be the only argument you have for rights, government mandate.

 

Let's give them both. Not perfectly....but the best we can

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Not the only....just the best

 

just nonsense.
was it a right to own slaves ?

 

No that was bad. Glad we changed that

 

and there is the force to give you something for free, unless of course you are volunteering to pay the highest tax rates.
But everyone knows you aren't doing that

 

Why not? More likely than not, someone "profited" off of what got them into their situation (cigarette makers, fattening food producers, etc.) On the other hand, most medical care is due to peoples' voluntary lifestyle choices, and why should anyone else be on the hook for that?

 

by your childish definition, it was a right, as long as government approved.

 

No one gives anything for free. The government pays for it thru taxes

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Know how we changed it......government mandate.....and a bloody war

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Because we say so

 

Uh... It's not free.

 

Free at point of service....technicalities are boring

 

I think the right "to" something, and the right to have someone else pay for it are two different issues. I have the right to walk into a restaurant and order a meal. I don't have the right to demand someone else pay for it. Even though "food" is necessary for life.

 

Unless the government decides to opt with socialized medicine in which case I believe it would be covered through taxes it would make it constitutional.

 

But if I convince enough people to join me in fighting for that right we can have it made into law

 

Sure does; the weaker submit to authority right?

 

Then logically, we should demand a say in other peoples' lifestyle choices, since that affects what we are forced to pay for. How does that fit into a country that was founded on the basis of liberty?

 

you have the right to buy all the healthcare you can afford but you don't have the right to assume others should subsidize it for you. despite John Roberts "I want to be seen as clever" nonsense, the commerce clause doesn't allow federal health care (five justices essentially held that-Roberts determined it was permutable under the taxing authority but rejected the four left-wingers' CC argument)

 

Demand whatever you like. The liberty of the people will be defined by what they demand of their government

 

so are t things like understanding the constitution to you, apparently

 

So do you always condone bullying, or only when a large enough group of people do it?