High school football coach scores big win at Supreme Court over post-game prayer

I don’t know what to tell you. Teachers are government employees. When their union goes to the bargaining table, they are going against the taxpayers to get their benefits. I’m not suggesting teachers report to POTUS.

Government is in charge of public education. Public educators are government employees. This isn’t a secret.

 

The issue here lies in the definition of "government". Just because the cities might fund the school operations(and as I said loosely, more accurately, it's the school boards who do that.) does not mean that the city/state governments own the schools. I just illustrated the pyramid that actually exists between the teachers-administrators-and the aforementioned unions. And the government? Possibly the laziest overseer you could ever find.

The conspiracy that modern Americans think exist between the government and the school, does not exist on a foundational level. State legislators don't draw up the curriculum. Even as it regarded the whole 1619 thing, some may have wanted to restrict that learning on the basis of a social cohesion, but it takes something of that extreme level to get involved.

But no, they're not going against the "taxpayers" per se, because whether an individual wants to or not, they will pay those taxes as part of the taxing zone. It's really no different from any other public union. So yes, they are public workers but they are not government employees.

Let me state it more affirmatively: Teachers, and the schools at large do not serve a political function, period. In fact, this is actually what conservatives fear could be happening under the guise of the independence of teachers(realistically, a teacher is a person who of course has their own bias. It'd be fairer if conservative teachers could be on par with liberal ones, but that ratio is unfortunately skewed) but even if we were to take that social phenomenon into account, that's the result of individual actions not a conspiracy led by the government.

 

I see where you are going, now. Most government jobs are apolitical, though. Every person who gets their paycheck from government, is a government employee. The people at the DMV are government employees, too, but they aren't political. If you are trying to distinguish between a political job and a non political job, you can do that without making a claim that teachers aren't government employees.

 

At that point, then 'government' is no longer government, but more like some borghive collective shareowner of every 'publicly financed job'. Be that as it may, that doesn't then correlate into the idea that if religious views/activities should be private then an outright ban on religious activities 'in public'. Because in the end, whether it's public or private individuals make up the community, and a restriction on the community is restricting the individuals that make up said community.

When it comes to this, the SCOTUS has ruled 'in the state interest', so we have to ask if these restrictions(or this modern interpretation) is in the State's interest. If the State viewed it from the prospective of its own power, it obviously wouldn't be in its own interest. But what if the State no longer stuck to the claim that the reason for the Clause was to begin with(which again is State-Religious merger, not my fifth grade teacher is a catholic nun outside school hours lol.)

In the reality we live in today, where the church does not have that perverse political-religious power, I think we can safely have statues of Jesus, Buddha or whatever and still remain a secular state.

 

This fake story finally came to an end this week, when the coach, who had already moved far away from his district, came back to coach a single game, then quit.

As this article points out, like most outrage stories the RW jumps on, it was mostly false and manufactured.

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ADF will now find (or engineer) new clients to push the limits of those rulings. Coach Kennedy moved on from his own litigation long ago, but there’s an endless supply of culture warriors who will gladly serve as the protagonist of ADF’s next fictional case. By playing along with these illusory cases, the Supreme Court shows itself to be an easy mark—or, perhaps, an all- too-willing dupe.
ENDSNIP

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/09/supreme-court-praying-coach-joe-kennedy-fake.html

Nobody... and I mean NOBODY, has an issue with individual private prayer, pretty much anywhere and anytime. This was not that...

Yet more proof we are living under a very scary (and hopefully very brief) theological age in this country which must be reversed ASAP...

 

Do you know that there are teachers that hanging Pride and BLM flags in their classrooms? Given that these are flags of a radical gnostic religion bent on the destruction of Western civilization, it is imperative that they are taken out of the classroom immediately and the teachers who put them up fired. If the left wants a separation of Church and state, this is where to start.

 

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The guy was making it all about himself and NOT the students over whom he has official responsibility while at school, at practice and at the game. I've listened to him he's enjoying his fame and attention. I already change the channel with the Fox host particular the woman morning host start to inject religious beliefs into their interviews but sat through the "oh you are so brave" comments here. Irony was that they had just reported negatively on the equally offensive to me MSNBC interviewer with the guy how puts on make up and calls himself a girl and a judge said the sorority had to let him join so he could watch all the young girls engage in their person hygiene even getting erections while doing so with the "oh you are so brave" gushiness.

The entire time he is engaged in those activities he is a government employee/official. There is NO unique or pressing need for him to engage in a religious ceremony in the middle of the field while he is acting in that official capacity and YES the coach is on DUTY until those players have left the locker room and off school grounds. Any player who wants to pray can do so by themselves.


I just went to a grandson's game Wed. night, middle school. After the game ended and the opposing players did the handshake at the 50 yard line both teams gathered on their own spots of the field and the players took a knee with the coaches standing over them and did they pray..................no........... the coaches talk about the game they just played, how they did, what they need to work on, who did a great job etc etc and then the all left the field.

For people to deny that a coach engaging in such acts and trying to deny that the players would not feel any pressure if they did not participate is LYING. Coaches have ENORMOUS power over those players and their progress and development and can make or break a young athletes career and make their life miserable. My kids have had to deal with coaches who took such a tone after they complained about something ancillary such as not getting a special fitted helmet they had paid for. What if he decided to go to the middle of the field and promote Trump for President? Would that be appropriate? I would imagine most local government have some type of Hatch Act in their statutes, is that a violation of free speech?

rant mode off now

 

I had to read that 3x before I realized we were in basic agreement... my jaw is on the floor

 

That's always been my position on the matter I am a constitutionalist.