Hillary Clinton: misogyny 'certainly' played a role in 2016 election loss

Nobody said anything about "only reason" or "sole reason".

 

Just to make sure - are you laughing WITH that post, or AT it?

 

With the post.

 

It almost takes an act of Congress nowadays to hold someone back for any reason, much less just because of substandard English skills. Heck, we're still dealing with kids who thought Hilla was around during the Revolutionary War. We have to prioritize.

 

Something that has been overlooked in this whole mess is that when you get right down to it, the reasons to vote FOR either of them were thin anyway -although again, I can hardly believe that Trump was offering far more of it than any other candidate and yet he was - so it simply became a matter of which one was hated more. But there was another factor, one I see at skewl all the time, and that is that at their core, people don't like being told what to do. or what to believe, how to speak - or how to vote. There's this fine line I walk where I have to discuss why it's important to do something as well as the what and the when as I'm assigning something to my kids, and this goes from the K-1 kids to 7-8. And a lot of people who were voting for Trump did so NOT because it was best for the US but because they were tired of being told by people who acted better and smarter than them that they should vote their way, while ironically a lot of people voting for Hilla were doing so because the press and Hollwood were telling them to get on the Hilla bandwagon and people you'd think would rebel against authority figures were kowtowing to it instead. It's a bit depressing that we as a nation have become a nation of teenagers - or worse, Millennials, but when you look at the kids rioting on campuses simply because someone who disagrees with them politically is there and the press is agreeing with them it's rather hard to avoid the conclusion.

I wish I could find it but I read a humorous article theorizing how many votes Hilla lost when certain Hollywood Half-Wits said they'd leave the country if Trump won. In particular, Lena Dunham cost Hilla several close races, IIRC. It was tongue-in-cheek, but there was a certain "Many a jest is spoken in truth," kind of vibe in the story. The same kind of arrogance that Hilla had running her campaign spilled out into many of her supporters in the elite and you just don't convince people to vote for you, especially independents, with that kind of attitude. I mentioned the "deplorables" incident before, and how that likely tipped the scales against Hilla, but there was also Madeline Albright's not-so-bright comment on how “There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!” Get it, ladies? Vote for Hilla or you're a Traitress to your gender! Yeah, now that's undeniable sexism right there.

I said it before: If there was any misogyny that caused people to vote against Clinton simply because she was a woman - and if that existed, it was miniscule - it was far, FAR more balanced out by the sexism that was propelling her candidate because of "Girls Rule, Historic Vote, Vote Hilla!" Heck, Time, far from a bastion of Conservative thought, said THIS:

She made a case to vote for a woman. She failed to make a case to vote for her. Given all of that, her whining that she lost because of misogyny is doubly ironic.

 

Right wing media and white supremacist organizations were telling people to vote for Trump, but I don't know to what extent Americans pay attention to who is telling them how to vote.

Again, I accept that the anti-establishment Zeitgeist facilitated the rise of Trumpery, and Clinton's and the Democratic Party's egregious neglect of blue collar White males proved lethal in a few midwestern states.

If a media entertainer, with no political experience whatsoever, on his third trophy wife, can win the nomination over several experienced GOP politicians, be exposed as boasting on tape that his celebrity licenses him to "grab women by the p****," falls short by an unprecedented 2.9 million in the popular vote, and still secures enough electoral votes to win the election, it's obvious that Hillary Clinton with all her expertise in statecraft, despite her support from more Americans, was not the right Democratic nominee for 2016. To what extent the anti-establishment fervour exacerbated misogyny and accommodated the virulent media campaign and Republican congressional interminable jihad against her is speculative.

Trump is POTUS, one that is more unpopular than any predecessor at this stage of his tenure. People are speaking truth to power. Several bi-partisan investigations into possible collusion with foreign agents in the election are underway. He is now flip-flopping on a number of positions he had espoused, and there is instability in his coterie of enablers. He is persisting in refusing to keep his promise release his tax returns and, now that they cannot be a factor in the election, many are wondering what he believes he must hide.

For whatever reasons, and to whatever relative extent those reasons were factors, Hillary Clinton is history.

Americans are now, properly, focused on Trump.

 

I don't exactly worship at Trump's shrine or anything, but what choice did we end up having?

Would you rather have had a very rich WOMAN, whose political accomplishments amounted to little more than shoveling billions of dollars out all over the world to people who hate our guts and laugh at us?

Would you rather have had a WOMAN who raised negligence concerning national security and classified information to the level of CRIMES?

Would you rather have had a WOMAN who turned the State Department of the United States into a WHOREHOUSE for international donors to her "Clinton Foundation"?

So, Hilarity nurses her hurt feelings by deluding herself into thinking she lost because she has a vagina?! Why doesn't THAT surprise me...?

 

I don't know what Clinton thinks about her loss but if people believe that NO sexism or misogyny was involved they're in denial.
NO, most people didn't vote against her because she was a woman but to state that NO one did is to ignore the FACT that in over 200 years this country hasn't had a female President and that can ONLY be laid to sexism and/or misogyny. And it didn't disappear the second Clinton decided to run no more than racism disappeared when Obama ran.

 

You might be interested in reading the OP in this very thread, then. Spoiler Alert: A big clue can be found in the title of the thread you've been posting in. I guess you were right, English teachers do have their work cut out for them!

 

I think her tendency to back the hackneyed feminism ticket put a lot of women off. She is a product of the seventies and it shows.

Successful leaders like Thatcher, Merkle, Clarke and now May have avoided making any sort of appeal to voters based on the novelty of their sex.

 

There are many women In would vote for over just about any Democrat, male or female: Condoleeza Rice, Nikki Haley, Kelly Ayotte (yum), Elaine Chao, Peggy Noonan, Meg Whitman, Mary Falin, and just about any conservative CEO, female or not.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/29/investing/female-ceos-record-high/

 

It shouldn't because the main reason the lady was running, her main qualification was that she had a vagina. That was it. So when she lost, she couldn't come to the conclusion as most people with half a brain could, that it was because of her corruption, her inability to connect with anyone who hadn't donated half a mil to her foundation, or anyone that wasn't sucking up to her like a pack of remoras to a shark, no it had to be because of misogyny. I've said it before, the woman is a bonehead and has the self-reflection skills of a two-year old.

Latherty mentioned how Thatcher ran - how she rarely (if ever) made appeals to vote for her based on her gender, but rather on her qualifications. Oddly enough, she won. Funny thing, that. Imagine what might have happened if Hillary had tried THAT tactic rather than run as The First Set of Ovaries in the Oval Office. Although when you think about it, Monica Lewinski beat her to it on that score - she mat not have sat IN the chair, but she damn sure was kneeling UNDER it!

 

But... to what degree was Secretary of State Clinton responsible for turning herself into
Typhoid Mary by the way that she may have encouraged some of her overly zealous
supporters to at least attempt to steal the nomination from Bernie?

 

Exactly!

She might have done better if she had tried being nice to
cleaners, waiters, bodyguards..... etc., etc.

 

Women can make EXCELLENT national leaders! I give you in evidence -- Margaret Thatcher, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. And, although neither of them was 'elected', surely we could agree that both Queen Elizabeth I, and Catherine the Great of Russia were superb rulers in their day.

But to say that the "ONLY" reason that we Americans haven't elected a woman as president is because of "misogyny" is completely unsupported nonsense. Look at the women who have actually been national-party candidates in the United States! Who in their right mind would have ever voted for ANY of them?! A reckless, hypocritical, STOOPID criminal like Hilarity Clinton?! I'm sure glad we dodged that bullet.

Consider also -- the right even of all American women to vote wasn't even the law of the land until 1920! But, nevertheless, I'm happy to say, none of the women I know are so slavishly stupid that they would vote for anyone purely on the basis of what sexual plumbing they have....

 

So what reason do you give for there not being a female Presidential candidate in a country with over 200 years of history?


...and YES, consider that SEXISM prevented women from voting until the 20th century!!!!! Did it disappear after that? Hardly.




I NEVER said the "ONLY" reason that Americans haven't had a female President is because of sexism and/or misogyny....but sexism didn't disappear the second a woman ran.


BTW , OTHER countries have had female rulers loooooong before Thatcher or "Queens" (who were not elected).

 

Queens have been around a lot longer than democracy, so what are you talking about, if not just more unelected rulers?

 

Minus the air bubbles and hysteria, you might find some of the answers to the questions you ask by looking at Article II and Amendment 19 to the United States Constitution. Again, consider the time-frame!

One good thing about Hilarity... she proved that even a careless, criminal, STOOPID female can run for the presidency!

If it's any consolation, I was very interested in the candidacy of Carly Fiorina for president last year. That lady is razor-sharp, well-spoken, and very intelligent. So, would I choose a Carly Fiorina over a Hilarity Clinton? Oh -- how fast would I do that? The speed of light is s-l-o-w by comparison!

. Yes, we could have had an intelligent, capable, ethical female for president in 2016! But....

 

Heck, we could have freakin' had one in 2008 if Condi had chosen to run! Although you can bet your bottom dollar that just about every liberal - including the hardcore feminists out there - would have refused to vote for her. Of course, that wouldn't be because of misogyny, right?

 

Here we go again with this lamentable "excuse".

Nothing seemed to prevent you from supporting Dubya when his people people employed the Republican Party email system from the White House*. (See WikiP article
Bush White House email controversy)

Whyzat? See how partisan some of YOU can be ... ?

*And, lo 'n behold, it seems to be happening again! See here from Newsweek (Jan. 2017):
TRUMP WHITE HOUSE SENIOR STAFF HAVE PRIVATE RNC EMAIL ACCOUNTS
- excerpt:

Shall we call for a Congressional Impeachment against Donald Dork for security abuse of email systems ... ?

 

Oh, really, then try this pertinent article on for size. I hope it fits you: The Rise and Fall of Carly Fiorina: An Ethical Case Study

Excerpt (Synopsis):

You have a strange set of "values" that you might like to try explaining ...

 

I must have frightened you, the petty little insults came out....

The 19th amendment?

Yes, that's where well into the 20th CENTURY women overcame SEXISM and MISOGYNISM and got what should have always been theirs.


Did you think all sexism and misogyny stopped there?





Now, why can't you answer my questions? They are simple and to the point.


"""So what reason do you give for there not being a female Presidential candidate in a country with over 200 years of history?


WHY CAN'T YOU ANSWER THAT? Brushing it off as hysteria and air bubbles does NOT hide the FACT that YOU can't answer it











...and YES, consider that SEXISM prevented women from voting until the 20th century!!!!! Did it disappear after that? Hardly.




I NEVER said the "ONLY" reason that Americans haven't had a female President is because of sexism and/or misogyny....but sexism didn't disappear the second a woman ran.

 

I remember the period during which Ms. Fiorina had her great difficulties with the HP Board quite well. I worked for a Federal Govt. Prime Contractor and had very close ties with HP's Federal Govt. Sector. It was a time of huge financial upheaval among all large IT corporations, including HP, and, Dell, IBM, and Sun Corp.

The only (ONLY) thing that Ms. Fiorina did that was "wrong" was not making the corporation's financial goal for one (ONE) three-month quarter. She was fired from her position as CEO of HP the following year in February 2005.

Aside from suggesting that I read some screed originating from some college I never heard of before (George Fox University?) by a "professor" whose name doesn't appear on the school's faculty roster, do you have anything else...?

 

Well, Fox, after having displayed my admiration for women in history who have been superb rulers of nations, I haven't even made a dent with you, have I.... OK, then... have it your way. The only reason that the American voters (more than half of whom ARE female) haven't elected a female as President of the United States, is because of 'sexism'. Happy now?

Next time why don't you on the fringe-Left nominate a female who's sure to be a REAL winner... a real champion for everything in this country that stinks of hyperliberal, radical Democrat philosophy.... 'Dizzy Lizzy' Elizabeth Warren! She's so far-Left that she almost makes Hilarity Clinton look "mainstream"....

. "I'M your huckleberry!"