Hillary Clinton will run for president again in 2020, former adviser says

As more or less an independent or swing voter, for me It would be a rematch made in Hades. My disdain for both Trump and Hillary led me to vote third party against both in 2016 and I certainly would vote against both in 2020. As far as I was concerned, neither on belonged within 20 million miles of the oval office.

If the Democrats are stupid enough not to get the message about how much independents disliked Hillary in 2016, then perhaps they deserve a second Trump term. It was independents that put Trump into the white house as Hillary lost them to Trump. But like in 2016, whom they nominate is their call in 2020. If they want to repeat history by nominating the only Democrat, alive or dead that could have possibly lost to Trump in 2016, if they want to do that again in 2020, that is their business.

But how stupid or political blind does a party has to be to do such an insane thing.

 

Democrats are NOT going to support her running again. They already didn't like her in 2008, which is why they chose the newcomer Obama over her in the primaries. They also didn't like her in 2016, which gave the election to Trump due to low Dem turnout. In my district, there were literally zero yard signs for Hillary in 2016, showing the lack of enthusiasm.

Of course, it is noted that it is the conservatives who have to keep Hillary relevant. They need a good enemy, otherwise their fearmongering strategy to get elected won't work. What better way than to resurrect Clinton from the electoral grave as the eternal boogeyman (woman)?

 

No kidding.

Not a prayer Hillary runs.

Because if she did, it would split the party and further disgrace her legacy.

So, I don't think she'll run because she isn't stupid (or selfish) enough to hurt the party.

As far as Mark Penn?

The guy is a Fat, Disgusting, Moron whose "strategy" blew the nomination in 2008.

 

if it's true, i'll have no choice but to vote straight repub again... oh, a 'neat trick' is to register democrat so you can vote in their primaries (cast votes against hillary), then in the actual election vote for the 'other guy' , i do it all the time

 

What's there not to like about Hilary?

 

I have to agree with you there!

 

She did not win in 2008 because the first black (half) president trumped the first women president.. I mean at the end of the day she is white.

 

Is she a glutton for punishment? Does she have multiple screws loose? Is she all kinds of crazy? Is she a grandiose narcissist? I think she's a lot of all of them.

 

I actually dont think dems are blind.

I think she retains enough power and possibly loyalty that she could make the party do as likes.

 

Operation chaos.

 

Yeah, I didn't see any Hillary yard signs and darn few Hillary Bumper stickers. There were still many more Obama bumper stickers on cars than Hillary ones in 2016. I also didn't see but a couple of Trump yard signs and a few bumper stickers. Certainly nothing like 2008 or 2012. This is in Georgia.

In 2016 Democrats made up 36% of the total turnout, Republicans 33% and independents 31% according to CNN exit polling of approximately 25,000 folks.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

Compare that to 2012 when Democrats made up 38% of the total turnout to the GOP's 32%, independents 29%

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

But how did turnout correspond to the total electorate?

2016 Democrats made up 31% of the electorate, 36% of the total who voted.
2016 Republicans made up 27% of the electorate, 33% of the total who voted.
2016 independents made up 40% of the electorate, 31% of the total who voted.

2012 Democrats made up 33% of the electorate, 38% of the total who voted.
2012 republicans made up 27% of the electorate, 32% of the total who voted.
2012 independents made up 38% of the electorate, 29% of the total who voted.

It is interesting that democrats dropped 2 points off the total number who voted from 2012 to 2016. But the Democrats percentage of the total electorate was two points less in 2016 than 2012. But you point is well taken, Democrats were less enthused to turnout than the GOP in 2012.

 

A lot. She came across as aloof, elitist and with a fake smile. She didn't really seem much interested in running for the presidency. She had no energy or charisma, at least to me. She was lazy. Showed no drive.

 

You really think so. But in 2020 there will be no secret meeting between Obama, Bill and Hillary prior to the 2012 election deciding Hillary would be the Dems nominee four years in advance. Also I would wager the DNC and state Democratic party leaders won't jury rig the primaries in Hillary favor in 2020 as they did in 2016. But time will tell.

 

The song "Dream On" comes to mind. Hillary ain't ever gonna run again. That Mark Penn smoked some bad weed.

 

You may be even more correct than you suspect. Why? Because now that we've finally gotten rid of do-nothing Jeff Sessions, a new Attorney General might go straight after her for her more obvious crimes -- including breaking laws directly involving national security and classified information. The statues of limitation haven't run out on any of those things yet....

But, if she can continue to deflect, dodge, and delay any Justice Department penetration of charges, AND she can be elected president, WITH Democrats packing Congress, she could continue to get away with everything....

 

You are over the target area.

 

Good! BOMBS AWAY! If anybody else with a government security clearance had done what she did, they'd have already been in prison for at least a couple of years....

 

This is scary! Makes me think they worked out all the bugs in their cheating schemes.

 

These criticisms are assumptions about Hillary's thoughts and motives that can't be proven. I have a favorable impression of Hillary's intentions and admiration for her intellect and experience. The country lost along with Hillary.

 

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Guess I will vote Trump then

 

The thing is when it came to independents, most of them had the same impression of Hillary. They didn't want her to be their next president. Not that they wanted Trump all that much either. Trump ended up being the one they least wanted to lose. Independents decided the 2016 election by going to Trump 46-42 with 12% voting third party refusing to choose between the two. Neither one was liked, period!.

You can scroll down to find out that 54% of all independents disliked or had an unfavorable, negative view of both major party candidates back in 2016. Basically only Democrats liked Clinton, only Republicans liked Trump.

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/pol...mericans-dislike-presidential-candidates.aspx

Here's some more on election day 2016. Questions 10 and 11. It shows with independents on Hillary Clinton 13% of all independents viewed her somewhat unfavorable and a whopping 57% very unfavorable compared to Trump's 11% somewhat unfavorable along with 46% very unfavorable.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf

Independents weren't exactly thrilled with the options offered. In fact, the two options down right disgusted them. It wasn't like the democrats weren't warned about nominating Hillary. Back in February of 2016 a poll showed that 56% of all Americans wanted the Democrats to nominate someone other than Hillary. The Democrats ignored America as a whole, so we have Trump as president. That was their right, no doubt about it. But sometimes ignoring most Americans has dire consequences even if it is your right to do so.

I like to sum up 2016 as an election the Republicans tried to hand the presidency to the Democrats on a silver platter by nominating Trump. But the Democrats threw that silver platter right back into the Republican's face by nominating someone as disliked by America as a whole as Trump was. It's also interesting, at least to me that the two major party candidates offered in 2016 set the record for the lowest favorable ratings ever of the two major party candidates.

2016 Trump 36% favorable
2016 Hillary Clinton 38% favorable
1964 Barry Goldwater 43% favorable
1992 G.H.W. Bush 45% favorable
I'll stop there as no other major party candidate had a favorable rating of below 51% since FDR. It just happened that the two lowest candidate were pitted against each other. It is my opinion that any other Democrat would have trounced Trump like LBJ did Goldwater, that any other Republican candidate would have beaten Hillary in the same manner.

This is impossible for any Clinton supporter to acknowledge or even recognize. Actually the same goes for Trump supporters. Still if Hillary hadn't been so lazy, ceding the campaign trail to Trump, she would have been sitting in the oval office today. Hillary has only herself to blame along with her very inept campaign strategy.

 

Yay! Hillary Clinton for President. Yay!

 

This could be just a hedge against prosecution. With an AG change up, she could claim trump is attacking her because she is his opposition.

 

Good so we can put Trump away for using a personal cellphone for officisl business. Lock them both up