Hillary takes a few spills in India...then tries to hide the evidence

Thought Renee was female, but then again this IS the internet where 90% of the women are really men. Especially in gaming. *shrugs* Eh, some people get way too emotional about posting and he went over the top.

Thing is, Renee - and plenty of other Clintonistas - seem to forget a fundamental fact about Trump: Yeah, I'm sure there's quite a bit of dirt on him, I've never really doubted that. He would never be in my top hundred list for people I want in the White House. But at the same time you have (as Natty Bumpo says) Hyper-Partisans who clearly are in love with Hilla trying to get Trump on corruption while at the same time accepting it from the Clintons.

I mean, it's all true. And then you have this:

And the final shot:

The guy also discusses this HERE.

The bottom line is that pretty much the very things that Trump is doing - the crass, vulgar behavior both in financial circles and his private life - are the very same things that the Clintons and their fans had no problems making excuses for when they were in charge. I mean, if it's okay for Bill to get a Presidential BJ in the Oval Office and cheat on his wife because the economy is fine, if it's okay for Hilla to make gajillions in Cattle Futures in ways that couldn't possibly be legal, then darnit that's normalizing bad behavior, dumbing it down so that anyone of any party can do it. The left has sown the wind and is now reaping the whirlwind.

 

From every angle dems have been at least as bad as Trump, but usually far worse.

Thats been the story of the last couple of years.

 

I dunno if worse is the right word, but when you spend years saying that misanthropic behavior is okay so long as he's doing his job and the economy is fine, you can't just turn on a dime and start self-righteously posting a million threads about Stormy Daniels. I found it as appalling then as now, nevertheless the standard has been set and here we are.

 

Y'know, I've been thinking about this since I replied to you a couple hours ago, and it came to me that both parties are just plain stuck at this point. So long as the Dems and the DNC worship the Clintons, they'll never get anywhere. So long as a significant amount of GOP-ers (I don't think the GOP establishment per se is much behind him) are behind Trump, they'll never get anywhere. A large part of why Hilla lost was because she had no way to effectively attack Trump on character issues, not in a way that might have mattered. Hilla could call Trump a liar, but all that would have done was remind people how much of an inverterate liar she herself has been. Corruption? The Clintons almost wrote the book on it. Shady business deals? Again, Hillary herself was involved is a slew of them. In fact, almost ANYONE except Hilla would have won against Trump outside of Warren because she herself is also a liar of some note. Bernie would have bagged it. Probably any Dem would have done better considering the lack of baggage most of them would have as compared to Hilla. Heck, that's a large part of why Obama whipped her wrinkled @$$ back in '08.

What the country needs is someone from either party - it's more likely to be a Dem in 2020, but you never know - who will stand up and flat-out promise no more. No more corruption, no more money laundering, no more treating women like sex toys, just pure virtue down the line. Promising and then delivering a transparent government unlike Obama. If this IS a Dem, it MUST involve explicitly repudiating the Clintons. Say "Look guys, we're hitting the reset button. We know you're used to the Clintons and Trump, but no more. This ends NOW." That person will win in a landslide.


Yeah, unlikely to happen - but I can dream.

 

In his own way, Trump has made some of those promises and is at least trying to live up to them.

Sometimes he fails, but its hard to fault him for trying. (which is offset by the fact that the other side is rooting for his failure)

But who are the dems that can credibly make these statements?

 

Y'know, I firmly believed and still do that both Trump and Bernie - whatever else you can say about them, and it's plenty - deep down actually cared about improving the country. Sure, you may disagree with how they wanted to do it, but I think at their very core they actually want to see the place a bit better when they found it. Now Hilla - not so much. I think she's just power-hungry and could care less if the country goes down in flames so long as her and her friends profit from being in the Oval Office and she gets an animatronic over in Disney World at the end of it all.

And yeah, there's got to be some Dems out there AND some GOP-ers that can credibly make those statements. in 2020 it'll be harder for the Republicans because they'll have to face off against a sitting prez from their own party, which is why I expect it more from the Dems if it happens at all. But hey - around 2006 who'd heard of Obama? In 1974, who'd heard of Jimmy Carter? In fact, Obama won in part because compared to everyone else, he was a (relative) political virgin. There's likely more out there.

 

Who's it going to be?

And yes, I agree Obama benefited from being a newcomer.