Hiroshima at 75: bitter row persists over US decision to drop the bomb

They were the Greatest Generation. And they raised me and gave me core values. No better heros for kids growing up.

God I was lucky.

 

Well Ike would have come around. Einstein argument was morally grounded. But he wasn't in charge of saving America.

In survival morality involved in winning cannot exist.

 

History says the jap generals did not want and would not surrender. But after two A bombs the Emperor overruled the samurai minded generals. Those maps would have fought to the last man!

You need to read the war in the Pacific!

 

Except it isn't factual. Its how you wish it to be.

Winning and our survival is never wrong!

 

Damn right!

 

I am sure you would continue with your opinions if your own life was on the line as a soldier fighting the Japs! Lol

But from your recliner safe and sound you can have the luxury of being a thoughtless ....idealist.

Plus you just make up the facts that don't jive with reality. Gotta be far, far falling off the table left. That is their silly forte.

 

Prove Japan was ready to surrender. Use written history by a historian.

If you can't stop the BS. Please?

 

That’s called trolling

 

We're the last generation that understand and appreciate what that means. I think of them as the last real adults. Because they went through so much they spoiled us but tempered it with love, morals, values, and discipline. Today kids are lucky if they come from an intact family (a mother and a father) that's functional. It's really not all that difficult to be a good parent and it's shocking to see how many of today's parents that just don't have a clue such that I think anyone who reads this knows exactly what I'm talking about. My wife and I raised our kids the way we were raised and they all turned out great. The grandkids even though their parents do a phenomenal job are tainted by the world they are growing up in, you can see it. We all spend a lot of time educating them about the ills of the world and try to limit their exposure to the sewage that surrounds them. God Bless the Greatest Generation, every day we lose a thousand WWII vets. We can honor them by teaching our kids and grand kids about their heroism and sacrifice, this is something that has all but disappeared from public education.

 

Ike never came around. Yes. Japan was prepared to surrender and beaten.

Irrelevant; Japan was broken.

 

Japan prepared to surrender; the horrendous terrorism of these bombings was a moral and literal holocaust.

 

False. It's how it was.

Irrelevant; Japan prepared to surrender, but we were dead set on these two horrendous acts of terrorism.

 

I am sure bin Laden's confederates excused and applauded his horrendous terrorism on 9/11. LOL

More irrelevant and desperate... ...ad hom

False. Bizarre and irrelevant. Ditto.

 

Educate yourself when and if you're ready. Ditto.

 

Repetitive and irrelevant.

 

Take it easy on yourself, please.

 

Some good comments, though not relevant to the conversation.

It's a profound shame that Truman's horrendous terrorism places such a black stain on the national soul.

 

it was an eye for an eye, japan did pearl harbor

two eyes were taken because it was an unprovoked attack

 

And soon the world blind.

 

only bad guys

 

And that is one of the MANY problems with these horrendous acts.

To the Nazis, the OTHER guys were the "Bad Guys."

To bin Laden, the OTHER guys were the "Bad Guys."

The "Bad Guys" are defined as someone OTHER than me/us by pretty much EVERYONE.

Hence if one justifies the wanton terrorist murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians as alleged "Bad Guys" because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time (Hiroshima and Nagasaki in early August 1945), one justifies the wanton terrorist murder of ANY and ALL civilians EVERYWHERE & at ALL times by ANYONE who thinks THEY are the "Good Guy/s" and others are the "Bad Guy/s."

If one justifies Hiroshima and Nagasaki, one justifies 9/11 and numerous other horrendous acts of terror.

And I, along with Einstein & Ike & Jesus and billions of my fellow human beings, will NOT justify 9/11, Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

Wrong is wrong.

 

Wrong again. Everything that I said is true.

That's a rather hypocritical complaint given that you repeat untrue statements far more often than I repeat my statements.

Your inability to understand straightforward sentences is neither here nor there.

The fact that everything you say is untrue is neither irrelevant nor nonsense.

You are the one who lacks education here. This is why you keep making claims that you are unable to back up with facts or evidence.

The A-bombs were dropped on military targets, so were not in any way terrorism.

Genocide victims might be a bit offended that you equate genocide with attacks on military targets.

Neither Ike nor Einstein worked very hard to oppose the use of the A-bombs. Their opposition was feeble to the point of insignificance.

Ike only expressed his opposition to a single person (Stimson).

When Stimson reacted by calling him an idiot, Ike decided to keep quiet and not tell anyone else.

Even if Ike had managed to somehow be convincing, he was too late anyway. Stimson had sent the final orders to drop the A-bombs out to the military on July 25 and then departed the Potsdam conference. When Ike voiced his opposition in Frankfort on July 27 it was just hours before Stimson departed Europe for home. Truman was still at sea aboard the Augusta when Hiroshima was bombed, and had not been in the same room with Stimson since July 25.

Wrong again. Stopping Japan's atrocities was a good thing.

Japan did not try to surrender on any terms whatsoever until August 10, by which time both A-bombs had already been dropped.

The A-bombs were dropped on military targets, so were not in any way a war crime.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets, so were not in any way terrorism.

Terrorist target civilians. The World Trade Center was a civilian target.

And you are the one who is wrong.

 

You are wrong. Tojo wasn't going to surrender ever.

 

^^^ Astonishingly bizarre & repetitive nonsense.

 

Nope. Incorrect.