How can anyone be against deporting criminal aliens

Where are the demonstrations and "riots" in support of criminal illegal aliens? Do you have pictures or videos of these mythical demonstrators showing signs saying "save illegal alien criminals" ?

You really gotta love these threads like yours with unsubstantiated accusations such as yours.

Let's hope that our free press will never be destroyed by Trump or threads like yours will be all we will get on Fox News after all the honest and free press is in prison and only Fix Fox is left.

 

This is the "enemies both foreign and domestic" that is spoken of in our Constitution of the United States.

God bless the brave men and women who have sworn an oath to support the laws of our nation.

 

OP, they are mentally ill people.

Same ones that will boycott states and try to bring anyone down that says a man with a penis is not a woman...sick, sick, sick people.

 

Said illegal mother purposely exploited our lax enforcement of our laws. Feeling sorry for the child plays right into the hands of illegals. You're being duped. Parents of anchor babies are selfish exploiters who for the most part never contribute a fraction of what they get out of it. Every child they have is just another level of burden for the rest of us creating new generations of dependents.


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Said illegal mother purposely exploited our lax enforcement of our laws
As did her employer...who is the root cause and gets totally ignored

 

In that case I refuse to pay speeding tickets or any automotive related fine, because that crime doesn't violate anyone else's rights. If I make an illegal right turn, who did I harm? No one. Same with building codes. Why should I have to get anything in my house inspected when I'm living there? It's MY house. Who am I hurting? The next owner might be upset when the place burns down but hey, that's their problem right? Sort of like illegals. Many claim they're not harming anyone, despite the people they kill, rape, drugs they sell, etc. If 1000 happily pick fruit for us but 1 of them murders 3 people, no big deal right?

For the most part they're harmless except those that aren't. Just brush it all aside.


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So you're saying that all illegal immigrants should be held responsible for the actions of one...regardles of the fact that as a group they commit fewer serious crimes than do the regular population..

By that logic...when one person of Italian or French ancestry commits a serious crime we should deport ALL people of that ancestry because if we had done so previously, that crime wouldn't have been committed.

I'm sure you see the idiocy of that claim but I'm equally sure you miss the point entirely (and intentionally)

 

Employer can't hire illegals that don't exist. That's like blaming the drug buyer instead of the seller. They're BOTH to blame. You think they both shouldn't be punished?

The root cause is that if we didn't allow illegals to have anchor babies, free education and medical care they wouldn't come. If the parents of a child can't prove who they are, NO school. If a person can't prove who they are, NO free medical care. Make them pay up front. No drivers licenses. No money transfers unless you're legal. Problem solved in a year and no need for a wall and we save BILLIONS. Let employers legally hire as many migrant workers as they need.l to fill the void and punish exploiters severely. Charge their country of origin every cent we spend by removing it from their foreign aid package. Mexico will clean their act up quick.

The rest will self depart when they're incapable of functioning.


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Only in the United States do village idiots protect and turn criminal foreigners loose to commit more crime yet they jail their citizens for committing the same crime.

 

Whether it's wrong to fine you for violating the rules of the road depends on who owns the road. Most roads were built with stolen money, so it's hard to say who really owns it. As long as you don't mislead the buyer about its condition, selling your house is not a violation of anyone's rights.

Your respect for the law is either fake or misplaced, because you're not concerned with the fact that federal immigration laws themselves are illegal.

 

Now you're just talking nonsense. There's this thing called a right, and it applies to American citizens. I understand that people on the left don't understand that these rights, such as the right to reside and work within the country, apply only to citizens and not to everyone, and that there are laws which dictate what is meant by deportation and when that mechanism can be applied.

Ah, so we are in complete agreement. Being in a country illegally is immoral. Dehumanizing people is immoral. Allowing people to ignore certain laws is immoral. So glad we could clear that up and come into agreement.

I for one could get behind such an idea. The one problem I have with it is that it skirts the issue of those who have applied to enter the United States legally, and are making their way through the process. Seems to me that allowing folks to effectively cut in line sets a very bad precedent, so I would hope that we could make some changes that would help those people who have been waiting patiently in the queue. Otherwise, your idea has a lot of merit, and seems quite reasonable (and doable). Bravo.

 

You're really asking the wrong question.

One who is for deportation is just as bad as one who is for war. Both are counterproductive measures that will simply leave more wounds than progress.

The productive method would be to make naturalization much easier and simpler in this country, in conjunction with making sanctuary cities legal. And please, whatever you do, top running the "serial liar" tag on Hillary, no one with a processing mind believes that anymore.

Deportation is as Anti-American as you can get. It's like how vouching for war is sending our own, just to kill our own.

 

Thank you.

I agree with what you are saying about the ones who have applied to enter legally. I agree with it in principle, and I understand the fairness of what you are saying. By the same token, we have to face the reality of what we have created.

I don't mean you and me personally, but "we" as a whole. Anyone who follows the immigration debate closely knows that both R's and D's have their agendas that have kept the borders unsecured and immigration enforcement lax. I know we don't like to admit it, but we have invited all these illegals to come here. No, I don't mean with a formal invitation. I mean an informal invitation consisting of wide open borders and largely impotent enforcement. Let's face it. Until this administration came on scene, the American government class has never been very interested in border security or strict immigration control and enforcement. That was by design, and that was the invitation.

So now we have millions of them here. But the truth is, many of them are good people. And they have families where some are citizens and some are not. So, keeping in mind that we (informally) invited them here, and we created this situation, I am not now going to follow up one bad decision with another. That is, I'm not going to let them all in here, and then decades later send American or Americanized kids to Mexico or Honduras or some other hellhole just so they can stay with their parents. I'm not going to break up families. Nope. Won't do it. This was our doing, and we are going to take responsibility for it, and we are not going to punish otherwise good people and innocent children. Nope. That's why I just want them to self-report and go back to their families and jobs, not as citizens, but as legal visitors. But I want a secure border, and I want immigration procedures to be tight and shipshape. I am suggesting that we can put America first, protect our borders and sovereignty, and we can still have a heart.

Like I said, it frustrates me that I am smarter than the entire body politic. I didn't send them to D.C. to act stupid. If I could, I would fine them for being this stupid. This problem is just too friggin easy to solve to justify paying them what we pay them. Being stupid usually has consequences, and it should apply to the politicians too.

Cheers!

 

I agree 100% with what you say here. Especially with respect to the lack of thought coming out of Congress these days. We pay these people to provide thoughtful representation, not engage in the equivalent of a political food fight. You make excellent points. Again, bravo.

 

So are you suggesting that we should naturalize criminal aliens? I dont think even the totally flawed serial liar Hillary would agree to that.

 

Just how many more Kate Steinle's lives are the left that seems to love criminal aliens willing to sacrifice, to get more democrat voters in the country. We have enough of our own criminal without taking in more illegals that become criminals.

 

They don't care. They have people in their camp that are against death sentences even for criminals so dangerous they continue to kill other criminals and security guards when already in prison.

 

IMO Trump is broadening the net right now because many who are in close association with known drug dealers, etc are also being swept up. This is a signal to many that if they are not themselves criminals, avoid those who are.

 

Do you mean to tell us that you know what question he is asking better than he does?

Tell us more.

 

Well- I am never impressed by the double standard. If you think immigration laws should never be written- you are willing to give America away to anyone. I'll damn sure bet you have immigration laws at your house; that if someone crawled in your back window and took up residence- it would be a different story. Or, perhaps you are one of those who crawled in, and think that it should be ok to move into another persons home without invitation or permission. You are welcome to give away what YOU have- but not to make that decision for others because you don't know better,.

 

You've heard of the constitution, right? It's that paper that constituted the government of the United States, established and delegated authority over certain specific matters to its congress. Immigration is not one of the matters on which congress is authorized to act. Don't pretend to care about law while rallying behind a congress who ignores and violates it.

I'm not interested in your ridiculous comparison of legitimately acquired property to land claimed by a state, which is really what those borders define and which do at least have legal authority(though not moral authority) to make immigration law.

 

They can be against it because they live lives utterly and completely insulated from reality. They believe themselves so well insulated that they can virtuously issue largesse from the top of their ivory towers, knowing they'll never need to actually get down on the ground with these people and scrabble in the dirt. All they need to do to be saints, is say 'we care'.

 

Quote Originally Posted by Lesh View Post
I appreciate your appeal to emotion over facts.

However your argument if extended would have us deport ANY nationality (citizen or not) as a whole if one member of that group commits a crime.
Now you're just talking nonsense. There's this thing called a right, and it applies to American citizens. I understand that people on the left don't understand that these rights, such as the right to reside and work within the country, apply only to citizens and not to everyone, and that there are laws which dictate what is meant by deportation and when that mechanism can be applied.

I'm not talking about rights or even laws. I'm talking about right wing logic...or rather the lack thereof.

The claim is that if we didn't allow illegal aliens into this country then any killing done by anyone in that group would not have happened.(In spite of the documented fact that illegal aliens commit fewer crimes than others)

That's no different than saying that if we didn't allow French people into the country , anyone ever killed by someone of French ancestry wouldn't have been killed.

It's flawed logic meant to appeal to weak minded emotionally driven people.

 

Only the second thing is immoral. Make the case that a child brought here at 1, is immoral for being here illegally. I will wait, don't worry. The last statement you made is so vague, that it is meaningless. Which certain laws? Any certain laws? You know that not to be true, so please stop. Just think about what you are saying for one minute before you say it and you will realize how completely indefensible your position is.

 

That, to put it succinctly is total crap. And nobody has said we are a failed social experiment. But the evidence by any measure you care to pick is that other social experiments are much more Sucessful. Health, happiness, wealth, there are other self rule societies that beat us hands down.

Go ahead pick one measurable criteria that can justify your claim. You won't and you can't so you will wander off into silly babble about anti- Americanism or open borders or some such nonsense.