How come the left never says anything positive about blacks?

Yep, you can tell by the fact that we elected a black POTUS and have more minority congressmen.

 

Well that's because you ignore everything that's been posted.

 

Yeah I bet you have lots of black friends too.

That's not something every racist says.

Lol

 

Nope, just one and i haven't seen him in years. So how is electing a black POTUS racist?

 

Ok, a point of agreement, let's proceed...

Long story short: you can only eradicate the black ghettos by guaranteeing everyone above poverty employment, as part of the rebuilding program. Temporary housing is easily supplied.

Of course the neoliberal system with its NAIRU dogma cannot do that; but the currency-issuing capacity of the fed government COULD be utilised to fund all education and training required.
The savings in the Ill-heath, and 'corrections', and poverty industries alone would just about create the fiscal space required.

The first part of that sentence is just a rehash of neoliberal garbage.

On the contrary: I expect we will see you firmly in denial, as we proceed...

Correct. The question is what to do about it...But I can see already you are exposing your anti-government instincts.....

hint: wealth creation properly, indeed MUST occur in BOTH the public and private sectors, given the competitive greed of human nature. So that part of wealth creation is the "business" of government.

I'm talking about wealth creation via complementary government and private sector activity. You want to call that "socialism", be my guest.

Neoliberal garbage. The currency-issuing government CAN issue its own money (with minor changes to rules that were forced onto treasury and central bank by evil neoliberal dogma)

IOW, the fed. government doesn't need to tax or borrow money from anyone. No theft involved, rather sensible management of resources which the profit-seeking private sector alone, not concerned with social outcomes, can never achieve by itse

You were the one claiming these rich people must be stupid for wanting higher taxes on the rich.

??? A thousand other news outlets have reported on the same group of millionaires.

You can't simply claim (like Trump) "fake news"....

State worship?

Depends on what nonsense we are talking about. eg the simplistic nonsense beloved of the RW that 'personal responsibility' is the ONLY determinant of outcome, black people just need to think positively and their employment is guaranteed etc etc.

No doubt. How about this:

the currency issuing government can support laid-off workers during this pandemic, without taxing or borrowing the money from anyone.

All addressed above. And of course, you have just said what it isn't...while we both know it certainly isn't the competitive greed and self-interested survival instincts of individuals which are the driving force behind life on this planet.

Empty-headed neoliberal ideology, already refuted above.

More diversion resulting from your empty-headed ideology.

Admittedly you don't have any knowledge of the capacity of the currency-issuer, but ignorance is no excuse to cling to false ideology.

Correct. So what to do about it. Fortunately for you, covid-19 does not seem (yet) to be all that deadly, so your evil neoliberal system will likely survive this pandemic. But when the big-one hits, here is the solution: (I'll say it again):

the currency issuing government can support laid-off workers during this pandemic, without taxing or borrowing the money from anyone.

(Growing and delivery of food can be managed in a virus-safe manner; and rents, mortgages and utilities can be paid for as long as required by the government who will be virtually lending money to itself in this scenario).

...just as I thought...now we see your ideology based on total lack of awareness of your own instincts .....to be "free", aka "peoples rights". etc etc
That's where the psychopathology is, right there. (Indeed, It's the human condition, but that's no excuse for not understanding).

Like I said, you, especially, with your total lack of awareness, would have been in for a rude shock if covid-19 was more dangerous than it seems to be, and if the the government was FORCED to lock-down the non-essential for say a year or more...and heaven forbid, support the entire economy while the non-essential workforce was in lock-down.

I have already addressed your "socialism" buzzword above.

Now it's "communism"? There are alternatives; we can have full employment in "capitalism", just not neoliberal capitalism.

But your ideology stemming from unconscious instincts restricts your capacity to think....that's the human condition. That's why self-awareness can be painful.

Indeed those millionaires - seeing the limitations of neoliberalism in this pandemic - are urging governments to accommodate their desires by formalizing that very process (understanding that capricious charity has no place in funding government).

 

I'll vouch plenty of teachers who are doing just that are "leftists".

She took advantage of her opportunities, but she also has innate abilities over and above the norm.

The fact remains we have a systems problem, represented most simply as the NAIRU dogma of neoliberal economic orthodoxy. You can't claim everyone can get a job, when the system itself presupposes a certain level of unemployment.

There is an alternative.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/mmt-overcoming-the-political-divide.569365/

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/22/africa/coronavirus-famine-un-warning-intl/index.html

Coronavirus pandemic will cause global famines of 'biblical proportions,' UN warns

"The world is facing multiple famines of "biblical proportions" in just a matter of months, the UN has said, warning that the coronavirus pandemic will push an additional 130 million people to the brink of starvation."

Or google the news outlet of your choice...

 

you can't do that. the lowest level of income will just become the newest poverty line. This is why communism has failed.

You're not talking about anything new your talking about communism.

 

Because you elected a race not a person.

He is your token.

An object you can point at and say, "I voted for a black guy therefore I'm not racist."

 

Wrong, for the simple reason that "wealth creation" in today's AI, IT and robot-assisted economies have sufficient productive capacity to guarantee above poverty participation, at a minimum, for all working age citizens.

Note: real wealth creation, as opposed to the production, transport, retailing and advertising of grog, cigs. junk-food to name only a few examples of the profit-seeking junk consumerism that is a large part of the consumer economy - 'worth' $trillions right there - real wealth creation only requires a small proportion of the workforce, in our time (eg only 2% of the workforce is now required to produce food)].

Nothing to do with communism

 

I've never said anything like that. I'm not "the left", I'm Joe. If you want to talk about what I say, talk about what I say.

If you can demonstrate everyone, or even a majority, in those groups saying those things feel free to do so. If you can't, why not stop slandering millions of people people based on your (often flawed) perception of their race, ethnicity or politics. Again, the fundamental problem across the board here is gross generalisations to support and promoting hating individuals. It's a problem with some elements of the BLM movement for example but at the moment you're not helping, you're just being another part of the problem.

 

A mixture of people being idiots and the fact that slogan is used by all sorts of different people with all sorts of different underlying motives (like all slogans, including "black lives matter"). In many cases, some people think (rightly or not) that it is being used to actually suggest black lives don't matter or that the status quo is acceptable regardless of whether black people are being disadvantaged or not.

I generally dislike simplistic slogans for much the same reasons I dislike divisive labels.

 

You're all as bad as each other, as your generic attack on "the left" proves. It's up to you whether you're going to be a better person or just another part of the problem.

 

you don't understand if you raise the bottom the bottom goes up. Poverty is the bottom it doesn't matter how far you raise it. It will always be poverty compared to the rest of the country.

You have to understand this basic principle before you can have any credibility talking about it.

 

It's simple, really.

(Bearing in mind my comments on "real wealth creation")

At any given time:

If the economy has the capacity to house (basic, clean), clothe, feed, connect to the internet, provide public education and public transport AND employ everyone, which it self evidently has - then there's your bottom.

The overseas trips, private vehicles with prices up to the several $millions , high-end sound systems, beach-front homes on the Riviera, high-end restaurants, expensive fashion, expensive hobbies, joy-rides into space, etc etc (the list is endless of course)....all this is up to the individual to achieve.

How am I doin'....?

 

yes if you raise the bottom it's still the bottom. Those in poverty will still be in poverty compared to the rest of the country.

This isn't new basically it's how economies get destroyed.

Once that happens dictators rise to power you are walking down a trail of destruction and death and you don't even know it.

So you're doing very very very poorly.

 

The CRA was 3 generations in the past. Time marches on. You apparently missed the memo. Did you know we have even put a man on the moon?

 

So you are not talking about our country and instead are talking about the entire world. Aren't millions always nearing starvation worldwide?

 

Except that would be affirmative action, not racism.

 

Thanks for learnin' me boss!

Yea right!

Like I said (and you're willfully ignoring) Democrats (I'm actually an independent BTW; I'd vote for a Kasich, Huntsman style Republican any day) voted in a multi-ethnic administration twice.

Why pontificate with mere words when you can demonstrate with real actions?

It looks like that might be happening again soon so you'll maybe want to get ready for that?

Oh I do really? Kindly point out where that's happened or are you living in my head?

I wouldn't be surprised since you seem to have been run out of your own with all the "blacks" living inside there.

"Blacks": can't resist lumping people all in together can you?

Makes prejudice far more easy to facilitate.

It's the oldest trick in the book really.

Well compare it with the current administration and, with respect to your thread, quod erat demonstrandum.

See above.

Well the current monolith doesn't seem to be doing so great of a job.

They would if they could help them win.

That's because he's a vile pig, nothing to do with the fact that he's white.

CNN has numerous white employees. That's because the color of their skin is wholly irrelevant to their capability to get the job done.

Well their market is heterosexual males so that suggestion is just silly.

I'm black/Native America mix. I didn't intentionally seek out my white wife of 30+ years. We just met and fell in love. We couldn't help it really, it just happened and race was never an issue. Neither was it for my bi (or tri) racial son who married a white Australian girl and emigrated. Now I have two multi-racial, mutli-national, dual citizen grand-kids.

Works for me.

I'm glad I don't live in your world. It must be so ugly.

You didn't learn **** (and I somehow doubt you ever will).

You came to this thread with that notion firmly ensconced in the small part of your mind which, I suspect, isn't occupied by "blacks".

I have an old screen you can use with that projector.

Well, I own a successful property rental business in California and my wife's a tenured lecturer so we seem to have done OK?

You just answered your own, set-up, premise.

You aren't here to learn or expand.

You made up your mind before you even started the thread.

Why is that I wonder?

 

Affirmative action is racism. you create affirmative action because you think black people are inferior and can't do anything without you creating affirmative action.

It's all based on white supremacy.

 

And this is all wrong.

 

I'm willing to hear why. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise. But you'll have to say more than nuh uh.

you think black people need affirmative action because you think they're inferior.

If that's wrong explain to me why they need affirmative action.

 

As expected, total denial, diversion and refusal to debate the points I raised.

Such is the closed mind, incapacitated by unconscious competitive greed and self-interested survival instincts.

But if you do decide to engage your conscious brain, here again are some points to consider:
It's simple, really.

(Bearing in mind my comments on "real wealth creation")

At any given time:

If the economy has the capacity to house (basic, clean), clothe, feed, connect to the internet, provide public education and public transport AND employ everyone, which it self evidently has - then there's your bottom.

The overseas trips, private vehicles with prices up to the several $millions , high-end sound systems, beach-front homes on the Riviera, high-end restaurants, expensive fashion, expensive hobbies, joy-rides into space, etc etc (the list is endless of course)....all this is up to the individual to achieve.

 

Who is 'you're all'?

I'm about as far left as this place will tolerate. I attack the Progressive Left because they're a bunch of phonies. Middle Class capitalist poseurs.