How do we stop the violence in Chicago?

90% of the gun crimes in Chicago are committed by people who couldn't pass a background check to buy one legally. Making guns illegal isn't going to do a damn thing to end the apparently black market in fire arms that already exists in the city. What is the solution? Not sure what you can do about an inner city culture that glorifies drugs and violence. Maybe wall of the south side of Chicago like in the Snake Plisken movies evacuate the women and children and wait for the crazies to exterminate each other...

 

Bloomberg came in after Giuliani. Giuliani instituted a zero tolerance for crime and shockingly the crime rate fell drastically. Bloomberg's anti gun sympathies had zero to do with that.

 

You would need a War on Gangs. An all out war, and building more prisons, and not corporate prisons either.

It is hard to believe that the US has come to this level of gang violence. Take some of the war spending and invest at home. Our greatest threat to americans is not russian, or iranians, its some of the people who live here and prey upon others. Criminals. We went after the gangs during prohibition, and need to do that again. If you took away their means of making money, drugs, you would go a long way in minimizing the work of gangs and the killing.

I think we prefer gangs to not locking people up for drugs though. Obviously.

 

The liberal collective really is against anything that makes sense

 

Seeing as the people doing the shooting in Chicago, probably, have no legal right to own the gun they use, and, probably, have no legal right to own any gun, then, effectively, guns are banned from these people. Laws and bans are only effective among people willing to obey them. And, if you need a reminder of the effectiveness of bans, consider that many hard drugs are totally banned, but that doesn't seem to slow anything down.

 

The cops know who the players are. Just turn them loose with a "stop and frisk" program and put them away for years instead of months.

 

Obviously, the number of guns never has an impact.

We should not look at what other western countries are doing, almost all of which have lower homicide rates than the US.

It's better to maintain this culture of guns and be led to believe that the more people who own them, the less Americans will kill each other.

 

1. Promote the nuclear family intensely, two parents supporting one another and their children.
2. Neighborhood policing on foot and bicycle where the officers constantly walk the beat and interact with the community.
3. Local trade schools and adult learning programs that are easily accessible and free.
4. Promote the boy and girls scouts in urban areas with extra support so that those kids can participate in all fascists of the program.
5. Organised community beautification and maintenance programs that try to include as many of the people in the community as possible.
6. Support Neighborhood watch programs and safe space programs
7. Basic finance, home education, sex, and art classes should be included in every students curriculum

I believe that the above would have a immense impact on any urban community.

 

Do you blame the "gun"?

If Chicago bans guns will that make the violent stop?

 

No other western country is comparable. Again Chicago has a flourishing black market in fire arms. Outlawing guns will have no impact on that at all.

 

While I disagree with banning guns on general principle, there is a reason a ban does not work in Chicago. While the city does have very strict laws on guns the surrounding counties do not. People just leave the city and then come back with guns. The whole country would have to ban guns for a big impact. Then enforcement would have to be draconian, with most likely a rather bloody civil war. Not worth it in my opinion.

 

Again not likely most homicides in chicago are committed by people who cannot legally own a fire arm and could not pass any sort of background check.

 

The perfect excuse.

US have the highest homicide rate of Western countries and by far the highest number of shootings/death per year but we can't look why others do better.

 

Guns are an important part of the problem.

In particular the number, their availability, the virtual absence of control.

In Canada, when a city like Toronto finds itself with a gun violence problem, the first reflex of elected officials is to pass laws to control them.

And that's one of the reasons why our omicide rate is five times lower than US.

 

Agreed, but they get access from people buying guns legally in areas where they are easily obtained. Then those guns are brought into the city. It is like banning water from a bowl with a hole in it.

 

Might help for citizens to support and cooperate with the police. Might also help to stop being a "sanctuary city" and openly welcoming MS-13 gang members!

 

Sure we can and from that we can determine why we aren't comparable. Reasons why:
We are on average younger usually by about 4 to 5 years.
We are vastly more diverse culturally than any single European country.
We are far larger and far less densely populated. All of these things contribute to higher rates of criminality. There are other things as well.

 

Are you saying Chicago needs to elect people who will ban guns?

 

Maybe they should make murder illegal?

 

Legality only applies punishments for actions in order to dissuade people from an act. But it does not change the fact that criminals will use the available tools and if a tool is good at its purpose and abundant they will use that tool over others. The lefts call to increase gun control in Chicago is useless because it cannot address the availability of firearms from outside Chicago. It is impossible to achieve their goal without banning guns everywhere. I am not saying we should ban guns but I am saying that they would have to in order for their plan of lowering gun violence through gun control to even have a chance at working.

 

We can help at the national level.

Consider Daniel Patrick Moynihan's warning to his fellow Democrats about the potential unintended consequences of the social welfare policies they were enacting in the mid-1960s:

From the wild Irish slums of the 19th century Eastern seaboard, to the riot-torn suburbs of Los Angeles, there is one unmistakable lesson in American history; a community that allows a large number of men to grow up in broken families, dominated by women, never acquiring any stable relationship to male authority, never acquiring any set of rational expectations about the future -- that community asks for and gets chaos. Crime, violence, unrest, disorder -- most particularly the furious, unrestrained lashing out at the whole social structure -- that is not only to be expected; it is very near to inevitable.

Unfortunately, merely addressing this problem requires the kind of moral and political courage that you won't find in Washington DC. Our politicians would rather prattle uselessly about the symptoms of the disastrous consequences of our nation's social welfare programs than do anything about what's producing those symptoms.

 

Why ban ?

 

Why not? Enlighten me. Aren't "guns" the cause of violence? Every shooting involves one.

 

Except of course other than in Trump's feeble mind there is no evidence that stop and frisk works to reduce gun violence.

Now if you want a real plan that will effectively curtail civil liberties how about house to house searches and lifetime imprisonment for anyone found with an unregistered firearm. I mean if you are going to do it why not go all the way.

 

So you have data indicating that illegal aliens are the problem?