How easy is it to build an "assault rifle"...

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Bullcrap. You can build an assault rifle very easily.
     
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    Pipe Firecracker rock.

    Can't change the physics.

    You can go down the your big box hardware store and come home with all the components needed to assemble a firearm plenty good enough to commit homicide. But for that matter, it's cheaper and easier to make bombs than guns.

    Pandora left that box wide open. We all know the evil can't be boxed up again, but instead of dealing with the reality of the situation some find it better to bemoan the evil of the tool rather than bemoan the head and hand that hold the tool. Can't put the gun back in the box. Can't happen.
     
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    That statement and your op prove you NOTHING about firearms, what it would take to build one or much about OUR Constitution. But you like to make people believe you are the worlds foremost authority. You're not, of course but, seem to have been educated by him.
     
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    With a progressive reloading press, 1,600 rounds can be cranked out in about 4 hours (theoretically), 6-8 hours realistically.
     
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    Which has what to do with milling out an AR receiver?
     
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    Let's check see how home made guns work.-



    Yup, they work. And the user in question made a double barrel to boot.
     
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    And it didn't look at all like an assault rifle, I don't think, Golem can't seem to define what an assault rife his is; but, he's agnn'em.
     
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    Do you mind me asking which press you use?
     
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    You don't need a good gun to get a "gooder" gun. You just walk up to an occupying soldier and offer him a cigarette. :)
     
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    Dillon 650. I have a Hornady AP. It's dedicated for 45 ACP. It isn't as user friendly as the Dillon.
     
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    Nice. I use the Hornady Lock N Load for most ammo. I still use a single stage and a powder trickler scale for precision loads.
     
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    I have a single stage for large rifle rounds and a turret press for calibers that aren't the bulk stuff: 44 mag, 44 special, 45 Colt, 38 special, 357, etc.
     
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    I don't have to know too much about firearms to obliterate your arguments or those of anybody who claims that building assault weapons is "easy'. However, there IS one thing I need to know how to do: research. And that is one thing I do very well. So I researched what experts on building assault weapons said about the topic and... guess what?... they agree with what I say here. Or maybe I should say what I say here agrees with THEM. Meaning that I simply repeated their conclusions. Because this thread was opened based on what I learned from them. So feel free to read the OP if you are interested in learning. Or you can also do the research I already did. Either way is fine with me.

    Oh... and BTW, difficult as it is to build an assault weapon that works perfectly without a "kit"... we're not even talking about bullets. Making the hundreds of rounds of ammunition like those that mass shooters usually take on their shooting spree at home is an absolute show-stopper.
     
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    Dude, where do you think AK-47s are made?

    -Everywhere. The world is lousy with them because they are easy to make, cheap. Sometimes they are just hammered out in caves.
     
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    Your ban would, necessarily, put many legitimate businesses out of business. Yes, without pre-manufactured parts and kits many people would be at a loss to build a rifle of any kind.

    I was in charge of IT at a company that built automated machines that assembled computer boards. They had an extensive machine shop and many machinists to run them. Those guys are just the type to call bullshit on a gun ban. I assure you it wouldn’t be a problem for them to arm themselves, very quickly, working during breaks and after hours on “their personal projects”; which they had going all the time anyway. It wouldn’t raise an eyebrow if they ordered in the rough stock they might need, that’s if it wasn’t laying around in scrap bins.

    My cousin owns an industrial foundry. It would be no problem for his guys to make blanks as part of a normal pour.

    IF you could ban “assault rifles” (which you refuse to define) there are too many alternatives to even slow down a manic shooter.

    AND, there are many alternative caliber’s readily available, if you were to succeed in confiscating all 223 and 556 ammo.

    You’re on a fool’s errand that would never get off the ground because of its un-Constitutionality anyway.
     
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    This is going to come as a huge surprise to the millions who have assembled A15 clones (which are not assault weapons). Do some more research.

    Guns don't kill people; people kill people. Going Gestapo on millions of law abiding people won't end well.
     
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    True on the AR. I've built several, in part because I enjoy the building challenge. Built one that weighs under 5 lb. A backpack special that breaks down to 13 lbs, in the backpack, and shoots 3 calibers. Custom quick-change barrel switch, mags and scope included. Some have never been shot, but I only do target shooting anyway. Prefer the 1000 yd long range stuff; the only AR platform I use for that is a Valkeyrie build.
    Some people build model airplanes too. I like the art of machining, and fine gun work is an art.

    I keep guns for home defense too- but then we're talking 12ga. KSG. Most of the people ragging on guns know little to nothing about them. They keep giving them live of their own.
     
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    Well I can see why you don’t list sources. Most of what you have posted is made up nonsense.

    …primers propel the bullet. LOL

    Old dudes around here re-load ammo with their grandkids for entertainment. Anyone can reload ammo with a few simple tools readily available to purchase or easy to make yourself.

    Seriously, nanometrically accurate screws? Which screws?

    Many people measure powder with a plastic scoop. There is a Lee Loader reloading kit for sale on e-bay now that has all tools necessary to reload .223 ammo for an AR-15 for $25.

    There are high quality 3D printers capable of making all but barrels, part of receivers, bolt and firing pin for a gun for sale at Amazon for $215.

    Even places purported to hate guns are making fully functional “assault weapons” at home.

    https://www.3dnatives.com/en/australian-police-find-3d-printed-gun-140620224/amp/


    Too bad he didn’t read Golem’s unsubstantiated misinformed opinions. Maybe he would have been too discouraged to attempt such an impossible feat!

    SMH.
     
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    The point I was trying to make is, if “l”, a nerdy progressive computer geek, know many people very capable and, with access to tools you can’t even imagine and, of the mindset to prove you wrong. How many people in These United States do you think there are that would say, “the hell I can’t”; if you told them “you can’t build an AR”? AND then go out to their garage and do it. 8)
     
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    You couldn't be more wrong and those of us who know better are laughing at your disinformation.

    There are plenty of people here who reload ammunition probably on a daily basis.

    You think basic machine shop equipment is really all that expensive? Lol
     
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    It's also like he doesn't realize that powder is measured in grains and a gram is 15 grains. It's also like he doesn't think people realize they make bullet molds that pour the exact size projectile to fit the bore. But it does make for good entertaining reading if you're into humor.

    It's hilarious that he thinks the primer is what propels the bullet but remember he does all this research...

    Priming compound can be made from ground up match heads and ground up red phosphorus from the striker pad in a pinch. But he probably doesn't know what lead styphnate is.
     
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    Yep. Later in the thread he brags about what a GOOD researcher he is. LOL

    I don’t even re-load. But I have everything necessary pretty much in my farm shop. Including about 300 lbs of lead. Pretty much everything to build a firearm as well. My blacksmith down the road has everything needed to make sophisticated machined parts. As do most people who have ever done any professional gunsmithing.

    We are already seeing table top open source CNC rigs capable of milling receivers, bolts, bolt carriers, gas blocks, etc. out of blocks of metal.

    Technology is making gun banner’s wet dreams into dry hump nightmares. :)
     
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    A single shot firearm of whatever caliber is incredibly simple to make, a welder a drill press and angle grinder and some basic hand tools that every welder has .Add a simple lathe and a milling machine and now you can make anything.

    And I bet you a paycheck he has no idea how simple black powder is to make.
     
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    I bet he can find a “source” that says making black powder is virtually impossible! But who needs powder when you have primers to propel the bullet a 1/4 inch down the barrel!

    Can anyone say “squib load”? LOL
     
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    He won’t come right out and say it (he hides behind the all inclusive “assault rifle”) but, he’s after those nasty black scary AR’s. Even though it’s been pointed out that Charles Whitman killed 14 people with two bolt action hunting rifles.
     

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