How is 'livable wage' defined?

Justifying their sole purpose as making as much profit as they can, any way they can get away with, is no different from justifying a government's whole purpose as taxing as much as it can. The private sector and the government sector are twin powers holding the many at the mercy of a few. Once again, the ruling-class Liberals prove they are agents of the Right Wing by never answering "Tax Freedom Day" with "Profit Freedom Day." To justify the cause they only pretend to believe in, they never ask a worker to figure out how much he produces and how much is his "take-home" from that in the form of what the Greedheads think he deserves to be paid.

 

I don't really see either side compromising at this point, and it all boils down to human nature. And I just don't have a lot of faith in humanity these days.

I REFUSE to live like the poor do in third world countries, living in straw huts and eating poor or no food. I would rather blow up the whole world first. Now, obviously, I would rather compromise with businesses than die, but I will not compromise to the point where I end up like the poor do in China or a similar country.

So, how can businesses compromise with me without me ending up in that situation?

 

The poor in American are still much better off than in many third world countries.

 

Very true. However, I still will not allow my standard of living to drop as low as it is in those other countries. I will lobby my government to make changes I think will prevent that first.

If that fails, and I am somehow homeless and unable to get a job, I will start robbing and looting to make ends meet.

I don't think I am in the minority in my thinking here. Doesn't anyone consider this could happen? Do they really believe most people will 'bootstrap' up when the going gets tough? Do they simply not care?

Why do people insist of dragging our current state of affairs out instead of ending it now?

 

Well, I would stay away from my house when robbing and looting. I have a 12 gauge and I have used it several times. Never killed anyone with it, but I did put a bunch of buckshot into a guy's car when their friend was trying to steal my car radio.

They drove off and left their friend there will me. He spend 20 minutes crying about how they made him do it, and begging me not to kill him. I just called the cops and had him arrested for trespassing and theft.

 

I don't think I would go after people that looked like they had guns. I think I would rob some grocery stores without any weapons. I would just run in, grab some food, and run out again.

I don't think anyone would shoot me when they see I don't have any weapons on me. At least, I would hope we aren't at that point as a society.

 

Kudos. You highlight the some great points. That's why the stuffed shirts hate those pesky regulations. They want to be able to mandate overtime (on their own financial terms, of course), use and abuse the employee at whatever level they deem it to be. You feel like you're spinning your wheels and slipping backwards, no matter how much effort you put forward? It's because that's exactly the case, and it's all by design of the corporate fat cats. You're far from alone brother. The American dream has been stolen by the corporate raiders and it ain't coming back until the masses demand it be returned to them.

The next time you see a stuffed shirt get out of their BMW, or Mercedes, place a nice green hocker on their windshield. Childish, I know but, it feels good, if only for a second.

 

"Those people" have it good! Who said that after Katrina? Wasn't that Barbara Bush?

 

The people have to stand up in large masses. Unfortunately, violence usually follows because the big cheeses just grip their pilfered cash even tighter, and won't do anything about it until that violence occurs. It's coming and it won't be long. I guess that's why the new fat cat investment strategy is investing in prisons (no sheet).

 

I heard one idiot predicting the stock market would crash in April of this year. How'd that little prediction work out, huh? Running around whining that the sky is falling is just another excuse to blame someone else.

 

Remember, your CEO cares about you..your welfare is his number one concern. You must do 4 times as much as you did yesterday to get half of what you already had. THINK. How can YOU best service your master? THAT is the true key to corporate success!

 

No one 'gains' weight' on 1500 calories a day. Not to mention you can purchase multivitamins as a substitute for fruit/vegetable nutrients. A bottle of 200 pills costs about $3 at Walmart. So if you take 2 multivitamins a day, that'd average to about a whopping $12 per year just to make sure you're getting your nutrients (more than many 'poor' people spend in a day on cigarettes, alcohol or fast food).

Man only eats Big Macs for 30 years, weighs 140 lbs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Gorske

People who are morbidly obese are eating way too much food - it is not 'cheaper' to be overweight than to be thin, that's the biggest lie ever told.

 

A liveable wage is one with which I never really have to wonder where the money for the electric bill is going to come. And I can go to a movie whenever I want to.

In my opinion, if you need more than lack of concrete worry, and a bit of outside entertainment, you haven't really learned how to appreciate what you have.

 

And what if they had the family and were living fine BEFORE something out of their control happened to force them to live paycheck to paycheck?

You can't always predict your future.

 

Walmart has slim margins. How does it raise wages without prices? Their low prices make a lot of people's labor more valuable.

 

Here's a thought,fraud...pay workers according to their experience and knowledge.

Even YOUR class envious carcass should be able to see the logic in that.

 

I like the big screen tv I bought for only $500, but if I couldn't afford to buy it because wages went up and had to settle for an ordinary tv that would be ok to. The price of luxuries should go up to pay for those who need to survive. And we should increase the tariffs from countries that don't pay an American living wage.

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Then fire them when they become more experienced so you can higher lower waged high school kids to replace them with instead.

 

Did you ever stop to think about what a miniscule difference in costs that would be? Grocery stores tend to move large volumes, so even a small price markup should cover higher pay rates. The fact is that every company takes every step imaginable to squeeze more money out of the workforce to benefit top executives and shareholders.

 

Does wal mart get a guarantee that best buy target hh Gregg brands mart etc...will also raise prices? How high should prices be before a company is no longer considered greedy?

 

Raise wages the cost if goods go up. Now you have more money in your pocket but everything cost more. You are right back where you were. Work harder move up to higher wage position. I started out at the bottom and now I have my own company. Hard work and saved every penny I could.

 

You think CEOs don't deserve their pay right? Why do you think the board of directors offers them the salary they get? (Besides wal marts CEO makes a lot less then many much larger firms. If you split up his salary among their employees it wouldn't add up to a Big Mac)

 

That is all you had to say ... The rest is just a bunch of fluff that means nothing.
The goal of a business is to provide a product/service to a consumer, and make a profit for the investors ... Not to create a Welfare State for the Employee.

You still have to respect your employees ... Or the smart ones leave, and you are Left with a bunch of Democrats.
Again ... If you are so great ... Start a business and stop complaining about what someone else is doing.

Otherwise ... You may be better cut out for a government job.
Go work for the IRS ... they gave out a little under $100 million in bonuses (taxpayer money) since 2009.