How much does the US pay the UK to hold Assange prisoner?

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  1. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    If you were following news of the last couple of years you would notice that Assange is increasingly looking like a Russian agent. Russia hijacked Wikileaks years ago.
     
  2. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't care. The truth has to come from somewhere, why not from Russian Intelligence?
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    When governments have things to hide and keep secret, the truth must be suppressed, no matter the government.

    Assange is an equal opportunity government critic. The truth hurts those governments keeping secrets, therefore Assange is Public Enemy #1
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the UK and the US had any kind of influence over Ecuador, why wouldn't they have them kick Assange out of the embassy in the first place? Why couldn't the Ecuadorian government be operating on the basis of it's own (perceived) self interests? Maybe there could even be pressures on or profits to Ecuador from people who want Assange to be able to stay there indefinitely?
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I guess time has changed the perspective of Ecuador. When it happened, they certainly did act in a noble and generous manner, denying the wishes of the US and the UK by giving safe harbor to Assange.

    Maybe now he has worn out his welcome, and with the talk about Catalonia they don't want to hear, they are punishing him.
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well they’ve had a change of government since and I don’t think the current regime is as friendly towards him but they’re somewhat stuck with him. I suspect they fear the backlash if they’re seen kicking him out to the dogs (a lot of Assange supporters will be hackers and I doubt the Ecuadorian IT infrastructure is the most secure in the world). That could also be a reason they don’t want him making lots of headline grabbing public statements, with the idea that the whole thing could dampen down and be resolved without much fanfare (not that I think that would be possible because Assange would never go quietly).

    I don’t think anyone is happy with the situation with is stands but none of them are willing to agree to any kind of reasonable conclusion.
     
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  7. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    A reasonable conclusion would be that justice and the rule of law be served, and that an innocent man be set free and allowed free speech.

    What we have now is a public demonstration of the complete absence of conscience among the leaders of the US, UK and Sweden, and a dying conscience in Ecuador.
     
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    He is free. It is entirely under his own control whether he walks out of the embassy or not. If he did, he’d have to face the rule of law in relation to his bail jumping (which he is guilty of) but that would be a brief procedural case, after which he’d be free (probably required) to leave the UK.

    He also has as much free speech as anyone else (arguably more than many in practice), though the Ecuadorian embassy have no requirement to unconditionally provide him the means or material while he’s voluntarily living under their roof.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    He is free? How many years have you spent confined in an embassy? Are you really being honest Joe, or do you want me to believe that nonsensical statement?

    Being confined in one building, unable to leave because of arrest threats, is NOT being free. Try it yourself some time, and get back to me with an honest statement.
     
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    I don't need to, I've never jumped bail. He voluntary went to the embassy as part of an attempt to flee the UK and he can voluntarily leave it at any point. The fact he stands to be arrested if he does isn't significant, especially given the bail jumping is the only element remaining.
     
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    Just staying there is no good, he needs to have Internet access to be of any use to the rest of the world.
    As to why they haven't kicked him out of the embassy long time ago, is not so easy, because the world was watching. Besides, they didn't know that he would eventually be free from Sweden, so that dashed their hope of getting him.
    The US under Trump should make a truce with Assange, after all, he helped implicate Trump's rival, Hillary Clinton... Trump owes him a favor, I think.
     
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    A fair and appropriate solution would be putting him on an Aeroflot plane to Moscow. He could join Snowden there and the two together could form some radio broadcast, letting the word know what's up!!
     
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    The Brits would not allow that. The moment he leaves the embassy they will arrest him. Maybe they could poison him like they did Skripal?
     
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    Russia, he wouldn't be safe elsewhere. They are bound to get him. Assange was hushed because he was going to disclose the truth about the Skripal poisoning.

    Sometimes the US will bribe, but most times it uses nefarious methods. Here's a video of a former head of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, (OPCW). What's interesting is that he was forced to resign by Bolton, and they even threatened his children because he wanted Iraq and Libya to join the organization. That went against Washington's geo political plans towards Iraq.


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    An excellent interview with a brave and principled man.
     
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    WOW! That Bolton guy is full of himself. It's not for nothing they call him a ``War Hawk`. How come he is again in a top position in Trump's administration? I guess Trump can't do anything without his Jewish friends.
    But the really shocking point is, that the US and the UK are working together against Russia, although, they blunder and fall over each others feet in their haste.
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, Bolton, a Zionist and a supporter and defender of Israel, is representing the American people in Washington! Let that melt on your tongue for a minute!
    Ditto is Trump's Envoy Jason Greenblatt, telling the world it is the Palestinians who are aggressive!
     

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