Hurricane Ian

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  1. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL. Sorry, I'm married to one of the countries top hurricane experts. I trust him on this.
     
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    For some, it is a matter of belief, not of reason, and ideologues in denial exhibit a range of ideological symptoms.

    They are convinced that they can poop into the heavens with impunity. Others recognize that spewing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere impacts the atmosphere.

    190 nations have ratified the Paris Climate Agreement, recognizing the reality and the consequences of global warming.

    It is true that Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Eritrea, Yemen, and South Sudan haven't ratified it.

    Some folks align with the seven, rather than the one-hundred and ninety.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    I would expect you to.
     
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    For one, I am all for these initiatives and implementing them. What I am against is people blaming natural disasters as a way to promote those initiatives.
     
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    The record also shows that 9 of 10 largest near earth asteroids have happened since 1980 as well. I'm sure advances in our ability to accurately measure them has nothing to do with that.
     
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    We can only use the data we have.

    Assuming anything about the time before we have data isn't anything but an assumption, no matter who is assuming what.
     
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    Then why are you assuming that hurricanes have been getting stronger in recent decades? Aren't you assuming something about the time before we had data?
     
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    My statement is made based on the time period that we've had reliable data.

    I didn't say they have been getting stronger over the past 500 or 1000 years.

    The data does support that of the last 100 years, the last 20 have on average seen stronger hurricanes.
     
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    Err, huh? He's referring to the times in which we HAVE data.
     
  10. Curious Always

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    This is simply not true. Our instruments are better. Our ability to forecast is better. You are being sold lies. Climate change has nothing to do with hurricane activity.
     
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    I haven't mentioned climate change.
     
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    I was in the eye of Irma but it was at night. Just went from intense hurricane conditions to dead still.

    But if you've got good sense you don't go outside in it but if you feel like you must you better not be very far away at all from shelter because the back side of its coming at you again and depending on how fast it's moving you may have very little warning
     
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    Woo hoo! Went to bed at 6:45 a.m. and just woke up with electricity!!!
     
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  14. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wonderful news, FB! I can't believe we got to sleep with the windows open in September. I think it's unprecedented during my time in SE Florida.
     
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    My bad. Hurricanes are not more intense, though. The way we measure them has changed dramatically. Read up on changes to The Saffir–Simpson scale.
     
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    Natural disasters, naturally, are impacted by contributory factors. Anthropogenic climate change is clearly one of them.
     
  17. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is NOT. Please stop repeating this lie. You sound silly.
     
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    The data we have suggests they have become more intense over the past 100 years.

    The data isn't perfect, but it is all we have.

    The claim that they have not gotten more intense is not based on any data at all.
     
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    I have heard zero reports of looting in town.

    I believe there's two good reasons for that.... I have a law enforcement and national guard presence and it being common knowledge that many citizens in this county are armed.

    I don't care what any anti-gun person thinks, and times like these a gun in your hand feels much better than a phone which may or may not work and may or may not be answered.
     
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    So let's get this right, if we have less hurricanes than 1933 does this mean our climate is improving? Or how about less than 2005? Or less major hurricanes than 1950, does this mean our climate is improving????
     
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    Uhh no
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    Ideologues pretending that scientific data they don't like is silly is silly.


    Over less than 22 hours, from Monday to Tuesday, Ian got 67% stronger, the National Hurricane Center said. That dramatic escalation fits the pattern of one of the characteristics of hurricanes that scientists have shown is linked to climate change.

    In fact, the number of intensifying storms in the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific over the last 40 years has increased by 25%, according to data from the NHC analyzed by the Associated Press.
     
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    It's a cult like belief of theirs that you cannot use logic to penetrate
     
  24. Curious Always

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    No, the data does not show that at all. How many times do I need to tell you that our instruments are better, the way we measure is more intricate. We know more. We have more people and more expensive lifestyles, so the damage is going to be more extensive.

    The Galveston hurricane of 1900, using today's population, # of buildings and expensive toys, more precise instrumentation, would be one of the worst in our known history. This applies to many hurricanes pre-all-the-stuff-I-mentioned.
     
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    8 of the 10 most intense hurricanes have happened since 1980.

    I guess you can say that the data pre-1980 was inaccurate, but that would sorta toss the chart you posted into the garbage.
     

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