I believe that The Donald, has given Mitt, the fuel he needs to convince Mrs. Romney

... to endure another Gruelling Presidential campaign?!

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It's an interesting theory, and one I've considered. My best guess is that he's not coming back. Trump has done what Romney was unable to do, which is to make his wealth part of his brand rather than something to be apologetic about. Romney may have the political skill to pull it off now, after Trump paved the way, but I don't think he will.

 

I on the other hand will be shocked if by January 1, 2016 Mr. Mitt Romney has NOT entered the race?!

Frankly...................... this is not what he and Anne would have expected but............. this is even better than if they were facing Mr. Jeb Bush as the clear leader!

 

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.......... The Donald deserves some credit for doing this........ and we might get the pleasant surprise of seeing Mitt in the race soon..... largely due to the way that The Donald had played his cards........... And then later on........ when the dust all settles and the smoke all clears away........ We might even find out that The Donald was rather hoping for Mr. Mitt Romney to be lured into the race by his flaws.............. and frankly The Donald........ will not feel so bad to lose the nomination to Mr. Mitt Romney.......... the Donald......... is a good friend to Mr. Mike Tyson and can understand the antics that professional wrestlers must do....... in order to put on a good show.

 

If Dr. Ben Carson would go all out to convince Mr. Mitt Romney to run..... .by offering to be V. P. candidate along with Mitt...............… Mr. Mitt Romney and Mrs. Anne Romney would find that offer truly moving........... and Dr. Ben would become a hero to a huge number of Mitt Romney supporters who would so love to see Mitt enter the race....................

 

There are already enough Romney clones running and the people obviously do not want that type of candidate.

There is nothing special about Romney that others like a Bush don't have.

Funny how the left was saying how horrible of a candidate that Romney was yet now he is the savior of the GOP.

They do not seem able to make up their minds.

 

True............ but after Mr. John Kerry unsuccessfully campaigned to become President did a underground movement begin to try to convince him to campaign again?

The phenomena that has followed the Mitt Romney campaign is unlike anything that I have seen in my 56 years.

Even Mr. Al Gore has not generated so much emotion from even ten percent as many members of the Democratic Party.

Some Democrats are talking about drafting Al Gore now....... but it is desperation.......... not like the Mitt Romney fan club.

 

This is interesting.......


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Very few Americans want Romney to run again. One of the reasons he lost in the primaries in 2008 and the general in 2012 is the trust factor. He did not have it. 4 years latter he still does not have the trust factor. Even among a lot of Republicans. A lot of Republican voters stayed home in 2012 refusing to vote for him. I do not see how 2016 would be any different.

 

Personally..... I think that he would have won in 2012 if it were not for Hurricane Sandy and the fact that President Obama responded reasonably well to that crisis.

Hurrican Sandy forced all of us to rethink the points that Mr. Al Gore had made in "An Inconvenient Truth." All of us were thinking......... and two or three percent of Americans decided to vote differently at the last moment.

 

Dennis Tate.....keep dreaming your Canuckafukk liberal dreams.
Trump will curbstomp Romney........it's over.

 

Its hard to say. Romney lost 51-47 and by a huge amount in the electoral college. Two or three points probably would not have made that much of a difference in the electoral college. Only Florida where Romney lost by 0.8 of a point and Ohio where he lost by 2.9 points might the electoral college changed. The other states were pretty lop sided one way or the other. Romney lost 332-206 in the electoral college and the addition of Florida 29 and Ohio, 18 would have give him 253, still shy of the 270 needed to win. Romney lost Virginia by 4 points and even Virginia's additional 13 electoral votes would not have put Romney at the magic 270 number, he would have stood at 266.

Actually losing by 4 points is still a close race. But in a winner take all electoral college, these close races looks like runaways most of the time. Heck Nixon lost by only 110,000 votes, 49.7% to 49.6%, yet Nixon lost the electoral college to JFK 303-219.

 

Good points...... but now the question in the mind of many Americans is who else might just be able to rob the G. O. P. nomination from The Donald?


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I deeply appreciate your bringing these statistics to my attention.

I will perhaps never again make the statement that Hurricane Sandy might have given the 2012 election to President Obama????!

In order to continue to think that.... I would have to see a good case presented that perhaps fully five percent of USA voters were swayed by the result of Hurricane Sandy, which is unlikely that it would have been that high???????

 

The primary reason Romney, and McCain, lost is that evangelicals stayed home. 35% of voters in this country are conservative evangelical Christians. Like it or not Republicans cannot win unless they can convince them that they are going to support their issues. Right now trump is getting a pass simply because so many people in this country on the right feel completely disenfranchised and the Donald is sticking his fingers square in the eye of the people they blame for this disrespect, the Rinos the Dems and the media.

 

True.................... which could well inspire Mrs. Ann Romney and Mitt to go on the campaign trail again.


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Not going to happen. A lot evangelicals stayed home last time Mitt ran. He has done nothing to shore up his standing with those folks and he won't get enough of them this time either.

 

Romney only lost four of the swing states by 300,000 votes. Had he won those he would have won the EC so the race was actually extremely close.

 

I think one just needs to let it play out. History shows that most of those who lead in the polls in August the year before the election faded basically into oblivion. I am not saying this will happen with Trump, but it usually does. Trump has high unfavorable ratings ranging from 30 to 40% even within the Republican Party. One can equate unfavorable with dislike. But Trump has those within the party that adore him to the point where he can do no wrong and can say anything he likes and even flip flop on his positions from one day to the next. I would say at the moment these folks make up 25-30% of Primary voters.

In a field of 17 that is a lot. Heck in a field of 5 that still would be a lot. But keep in mind we still have 5 months to go before the first vote is cast in Iowa. A lot can happen between now and then. Right now I am sitting back watching the show and that is exactly what it is. It is good entertainment.

 

There is a difference between leading the polls and simply running over the competition. Any candidate maintaining a 20 point lead, even this far out is practically ensured the nomination unless they self destruct

 

For the none partisan or those who sit back and watch without their blue or red tinted glasses on, it was fairly evident from around January of 2012 thru the first debate Obama was going to be re-elected. Then there was a few days after the debate where everything became fairly even then went back to Obama winning. Call those few days the debate jump which was self correcting. Watching the election returns there really was no suspense for me, but I am more of a numbers guy than an ideological one. Besides I was a supporter of Gary Johnson, not Romney or Obama.

Stat wise if one looked at the favorable/unfavorable ratings of the two candidates, they backed up an Obama win. Romney spent almost the entire campaign with his unfavorable rating higher than his favorable with his high tide of a 46/46 break even rating a couple of weeks prior to the election. Obama on the other had maintained a 50-54% favorable/approval rating vs. a 42-45 unfavorable/disapproval rating.

Republicans will never admit Romney ran an inept campaign. He never really introduced himself to the voters or ran any positive ads about himself and family. He ran the worst campaign since the first Bush back in 1992. Throw in the fact of the primaries where the Republicans candidates in opposition to Romney gave Obama plenty of ammunition to use against him in the general free of charge. Also Romney peeved off a lot of Gingrich supporters with his vicious attacks on him in Florida. Those attacks gave Romney a primary win in Florida, but also gave him a lose in the general in Florida as quite a lot of Gingrich supporters refused to go to the polls and vote for him. There still are hard feelings over how Romney attacked Gingrich in Florida today among certain Republican circles.

You want to win in the primaries, but you do not need to win or want to win whereas you get those supporters of other candidate so mad at you, they stay home or vote third party. In a way, Romney was his own worst enemy.

 

Any thing is possible to include Trump winning the nomination. The last candidate to win a parties nomination who lead in August the year before an election was Al Gore back in 2000. But it usually does not happen. But Trump is unique and I am not sure if he can be classified as a normal politician or one seeking the presidential nomination. He is a TV celebrity who is media savvy, he knows how to use the media and attract viewers and in this case, supporters. He has charisma and a persona where one either loves him or hates him. Right now he is playing great among the GOP, not so among Independents who give Trump somewhere between a 56-60% unfavorable rating.

But trump does not need to worry about the independents until after the convention if he wins the nomination. But with that high of an unfavorable rating among independents, will the nomination really mean anything to him. Remember the Republicans have a smaller base to pull from than the Democrats, as a result any GOP nominee need to win the independent vote with around 54%. Romney failed to do that winning indies 51-48 and fell 4 points short. But by winning a slim majority of the independent vote, he cut in half McCain's 8 point deficit to 4. McCain lost the independent vote.

So I am not worried about the Republican nomination, my eyes are on November of next year. So I keep track of independents and forget about Republicans and Democrats, I know and you do to how they are going to vote.

 

Independents only make up about 6 percent of voters. Have to keep it in perspective here. The den and rep bases are roughly 47 percent of the total votes so if you get them to turn out you win.

 

Not really, according to Gallup as of 8 August 2015 Democrats have a base of 31% and Republicans are at 27%. They put independents at 41%. Now approximately 75-80% of independents lean toward one party or the other and history shows that those that lean vote around 80% of the time for the party they lean towards. This is in contrast to Republicans and Democrats who vote for their candidate 90-93% of the time on average.

In 2006 the democrats took back congress with the help of the independent vote. In 2008 independents helped Obama win the presidency giving Obama 4 points more than what his base vote would have. In 2010 Independents gave the GOP the house and in 2012, not enough independents voted for Romney for him to dethrone Obama. In 2014 Independents helped give the GOP the senate and 13 additional seats in the House.
But when it comes to independents, say approximately 40% of the electorate counting those who lean, but identify themselves as independents, you had these results: In 2006 the Congressional Democrats won 57% of the independent vote to 39% for Republicans, (Pew Research) In 2008, Obama won the independent vote over McCain 52-46. (Roper). In 2010 Independents voted Republican 55-40. (ABC News Exit polls) In 2012, Romney barely won the independent vote 51-48 (Pew) and in 2014 it was 54-44 voting Republican, (Pew)

 

Now average that all out and you end up with roughly 47 percent of registered voters locked into the democrats and 47 percent locked into republicans. Getting those people to go out and vote will win you the election every time.

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And independent voters are basically a myth. You would need to have zero opinions on any issues to be independent.