I need problem solvers; Math shows we've already surpassed 100% herd immunity

The vaccine kills more between 12-17 than the virus does.

 

Be that as it may, you still want to reflect the overlap in your numbers if you are trying to be accurate. You had not, and now are repeating a projection based on a principle I infer you do not believe. Which then makes it just a dig at Trump and NOT a sincere attempt to arrive at a projection you are purporting to be trying to calculate.

 

Eric Topol, MD, OVERLAP

Eric Topol, MD, the founder and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute in La Jolla, estimates that the number of actual infections is close to 100 million. “It could be as high as 110 million or it could be 90 million, but the serology tests — the good ones — say that we’ve confirmed less than a third of infections,” he explains.

Overlap between the two groups: While no one knows for certain how many people who were previously infected have received a vaccine, Topol estimates that about half of the 100 million U.S. residents previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 have been vaccinated. “That puts us at about 50 million who had COVID and are not vaccinated,” he says.

That group of 50 million who are not vaccinated but have some level of natural immunity — plus the 132 million who have been vaccinated — gets us to about 182 million of the 230 million to 280 million needed to reach herd immunity

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/herd-immunity-closer-we-think

NOTE: The aamc.org article was published April 21st, 2021, thus, excludes at least 3 months of infections

NOTE: Topol's number of vaccinated equates to 132 million, and today's number; 332 Million X 56% = 186 million, thus, + 54 million

NOTE; Topo's OVERLAP equates to 50 million + his 132 million vaccinated = 182 million..........article states; ''gets us to about 182 million of the 230 million to 280 million needed to reach herd immunity

NOTE: My ''as of Jul 24th'' overlap equates to 70 million + 186 million vaccinated (332 Milion X 56%) = 256 Million

NOTE: Approx. 8 million Children, age 12 - 17 have been vaccinated, and there are approx. 73 milion children age 0 to 17., thus, 65 million unvaccinated, and according to Trump, ''almost immune''. However, minus an overlap, 32.5 million, + 8 million vaccinated = 40 million.

Thus, if Trump was right, 256M + 73M almost immune = 329 Million, thus, near 100% Herd Immunity

By the way, in reference to Trump's ''Children are almost immune'', is he right or wrong?........I'm not after you........I'm targetting other people.

 

Many sorts of cold and flu symptoms can be caused by various food pollutants and contaminations.
But the medical gurus love calling it all Corona/Covid stuff. How can anyone believe any of the gurus when their idea of "science" is hype and exemption from liability?
Especially when those gurus are slobbering over the idea of forced population elimination.

 

Tennessee alone has reported over 1K breakthrough cases with 27 deaths associated. ( https://fox17.com/news/local/24-ful...ent-says-breakthrough-case-virus-coronavirus- )

Like I said, I think the idea that there is going to be a point COVID goes away anytime in the near future is unrealistic. We need to shift our resources to better drugs for treatment.

 

Which is to say none, Neither one kills anyone at that age
You aren't giving us any numbers because there aren't any.

 

herd immunity to the original variant, not the new ones

the vaccine helps with the variants, thus why even Trump got the vaccine after having natural immunity to the original virus

 

AND is racist to boot...don't trust White Supremacy MATH!!!

 

Pretty damn close. Covid killed 300 people under 25. Johns-Hopkins says all of them were suffering from things like leukemia as well. The Delta variant here in Oklahoma a few hundred people hospitalized 21 of them kids. I'd all but bet most of them have some other respiratory disorder like asthma as well. None last I heard were in ICU.

 

Yeah like sticking a light up your ass.

But, to the point of the OP, apparently 100% "herd" immunity isn't working. Evidenced by the spiraling increase in COVID case's where people have resisted getting vaccinated.

 

Interesting......

Googled; Worldometer India...........https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

India has disticntly two major covid surges, last one, March to June, 2021, thus Delta.

First Surge Case Fatality Rate, PEAK Averages;;

1,174 Deaths 7-day Rolling Average/93,275 Daily Cases 7-day Rolling Average = 1.25

Second Surge Case Fatality Rate, PEAK Averages;

4,718 Deaths 7-day Rolling Average/392,322 Daily Cases 7-day Rolling Average = 1.20

Although India's CFR declined by 0.05, Today's Covid19 Hospital Patients are much yonger, and generally healthty.

Missing; India's Covid Deaths by age group

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In the U.S., we don't have enough data to determine if Delta is deadlier from age 0 to 50. Nationally, the surge of Delta's Hospitalizations began June 28th, therefore;

a. Surge of Delta's Deaths should begin 2 weeks after surge of hospitalizations
b. Surge of Delta's Daily Cases, 2 weeks beore surge of hospitalizations.

 

On a quick read, does that take into account some people who had COVID may have also gotten a vaccine?

 

How can we have reached 100% of herd immunity if thousands of people are getting sick every day. That makes no sense.

 

For your info, +100% herd immunity if Trump was right that "Children are almost immune'', and there are approx. 73 million children age 0 to 17.

Thus, if Trump was right, numbers don't add up; 73M almost immune children = 100% Herd immunity VERSUS our Current 49,200 7-day average daily cases????????????

However, how many Republicans will have the guts to admit Trump was wrong; Unaffected Children aren't almost immune.

 

Seems like overlap. Some children have had the vaccine, too.

 

The only time tRump's been "right" is when he became a Republican; and that was wrong.

 

According to Republican Math/Rationale, we've surpassed 100% herd immunity.

Republican Math/Rationale;

a. Trump; ''Children are almost immune''. There are approx. 73 million almost immune Children age 0 to 17

b. The number of infections is at least 4 times higher than reported, thus, 35M X 4 = Total infections, 140 million

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Question: How many have been vaccinated?

Answer; 56%, thus 332 Million X 56% = 184 million

Question; Among Total infected (140 Million), how many have been vaccinated?

Answer; approx. 50%, thus, 70 million

THE MATH

184M vaccinated

Plus 70M who was infected, thus, immune

Plus 73M almost immune Children

= 327 Million, thus, near 100% herd immunity

 

Can you quote a Republican making this claim using your numbers?

 

Well, saying "almost immune" is clearly an imprecise statement.

Almost immune from death or even hospitalization from Covid? yes. Almost immune from serious harm from Covid?.....sure. Almost immune from long haul Covid?....yes probably. Almost immune from catching it including asymptomatic infection?....I suppose not. From my understanding, the numbers from last year were that about 3% of Covid cases were amongst children and this year it is more like 10-20%. What that tells me is that childrens numbers have went up as an overall percentage in large part because adults have higher vaccination rates, and it probably also likely reflects wider spread testing which catches more asymptomatic cases of which children likely have a high number of such that were not being caught much of last year.

 

But some of the 73 million children have received the vaccine, too.

 

https://www.theburningplatform.com/...to-cdc-as-fda-adds-new-warning-to-jj-vaccine/

 

According to UK numbers the delta variant is slightly less deadly and still kills the same % in age groups.

 

DeSantis recently stated; "The name of the game is to keep Floridans out of the hospitals''........Makes sense to me, thus, forget herd immunity, and let's determine how many millions will most likely stay out of hospitals.

Thus, mainly this group;

a. 185M currrently vaccinated (332M X 56%)........according to DeSantis; ''Near damn 100% will stay out of hospitals''

b. 73M children age 0 - 17, 8 million vaccinated = 65 million

Your Quote: ''Almost immune from death or even hospitalization from Covid?''

Here's your children death and hospitalization question mark;

COVID-19 cases in children surpass 2 million | American ...
https://www.aappublications.org › news › 2020/12/29 › c...
Dec. 29, 2020 — At least 172 children had died as of Dec. 17. About 1.8% of all COVID-19 hospitalizations and 0.07% of the deaths have been among children.

https://carlsonschool.umn.edu/mili-misrc-covid19-tracking-project
https://carlsonschool.umn.edu/mili-misrc-covid19-tracking-project

THEREFORE, it's no longer a question mark, children are generally ''immune'' from hospitalization

Total millions who will most likely stay out of hospitals; 185M vaccinated + 65M unvaccinated children = 258 Million

Question: What about the (332M - 258M) group, thus, the remaining 74 million unvaccinated adults, and may have been infected? For example, is near half of this group, ''who was once inflected'', still immune from hospitalization?

 

I am not exactly sure what it is that you are asking me.

Personally, I have always felt this virus, while definitely very serious and clearly capable of creating very real death particularly amongst the infirmed, has also been exxagerated and politicized. I still took it seriously nonetheless, and mostly social distanced, wore my mask etc. While I did not sit around gnashing my teeth during all of Covid like some, I had a general unease and most certainly did not want to catch it, even if just for the month long sickness it created with some (who would want that?). I also got vaccinated and made sure my family got vaccinated the moment that it was available.

Where I differ from most leftists on this issue at this point, is that once I got vaccinated, and then especially once everyone has had a chance at getting the vaccine, my worry about this virus has completely come to an end. I am an odds guy, and while perhaps some tiny level of risk still exists even after being vaccinated, the odds of me or my family getting this virus and having a hospitalized type reaction are slim to none. These same general odds basically apply to all whom have been vaccinated. For example I no longer worry about sanitizing my hands after I touch a menu in a restaurant etc. With that being the case, I could not care less what others do. I respect personal freedom. Not getting vaccinated in my opinion is probably a poor personal choice (unless maybe for a very young person), but so is smoking cigarettes. I am more than happy to let people decide that they want to smoke cigarettes just as I am fine with people deciding whether they want to get vaccinated.

I realize that scare mongers will say that there is a risk the virus will keep mutating and worry about it mutating to where vaccines are not effective, but with the United States only being about 4% of the worlds population, whether our 4% has 60% vaccination rates or 70% IMO is NOT going to be the difference as to whether or not such a mutation is going to happen with this worldwide situation. It just does not matter in that sense.

I saw a cartoon editorial recently that said something to the effect of how to eliminate the delta variant, and it showed two ear plugs, meaning that if you stop listening to all of the fear mongering, it ceases to be a problem. I think that we have now reached that point. For those that are vaccinated, the problem is over. The only people with a problem remaining are those that opt to not get vaccinated. Their peril is NOT my problem. On top of that, this isnt the bubonic plague that killed a large majority of people it infected. It always was a virus that killed a very small percentage even of the oldest among us whom were at most risk. If young people opt to not get vaccinated and end up getting the sniffles for a day, this is not a tragedy. Stop reading the numbers and the problem is over.

My life has moved on. So should yours and every other vaccinated person.

In the movie Shawshank Redemption, Red said its time to get busy living, or get busy dying. Andy took this to mean he needed to escape prison and start a new life (get busy living), or give up and stay in prison(get busy dying).We need to escape this Covid prison that the left is so insistent upon keeping intact. This self imposed prison no longer makes any sense.

The time has come, WE NEED TO GET BUSY LIVING.

 

Huh?

Not everywhere, or for that matter, many places have attained herd immunity yet.