I shot four AR-15's today

There is a foreward pistol grip and a rear pistol grip, which one are you talking about???

 

So now you're just trying to ban things because they have functions, not knowing or caring what the function is/does? Do you hear yourself? Do you honestly believe you have enough information to make an informed decision? This is our (yours, mine, and the other Americans) rights. You shouldn't toy with them unless you have good reason, and quite simply there is no good reason to ban semi-automatic rifles because they have a few features. All this non-sense is doing is creating problems by increasing partisanship and alienating gun owners by trying to turn them into social pariahs.

 

So a pistol grip is DOES have a function?

 

You are very funny! You will make up anything to keep from admitting that your position is wrong.................we don't want to ban accessories because they look scary, we want to ban accessories because of the added function.

But the harder you try, the harder I laugh!

 

Does the pistol grip add function or is it scary????? If it adds function, then I am right. If it doesn't add function, then what's your purpose for adding it? Cosmetic? LMAO!

For some reason you are not getting this even though it is very simple. If you would answer my question, the issue would be solved very quickly, but if you want to continue to be ignorant and drag this out over a couple of days I don't mind. It will be the best way for me to question your intelligence! Take your time!

 

What kind of logic would dictate an individual would want to ban an item because it functions? Everything on this earth has a function of sorts.
You have yet to explain what this function is that you feel needs banning. Can you explain it?
When you can prove that a pistol grip, barrel shroud etc is more dangerous than the projectile the gun fires you will have an arguement.
Till then its just an immature irrational opinion with zero validity. Grow up and learn something before you allow your mind to be set in concrete.
The fact your adamant about banning inanimate objects that you have no knowledge of does not bode well for your future.

 

So you still can't tell me if a pistol grip has a function or if its cosmetic? Typical gun nut that doesn't even know why he is adding things! LOL

 

Your the one making claims with supposed seriousness. You explain why they need to be banned. Its your arguement kid, run with it.

 

Keep trying. Still can't tell me if a pistol grip has a function or if its cosmetic!

So things are just too hard for you, huh? LOL!

 

Turn around, face front and pay attention to the teacher. High School is gonna be even harder.

 

WHAHAAHA! Simple questions are just too much for this guy! No wonder we question their intelligence! LMAO!

 

Just trying to help you grow into a thinking human being. So far yes I'm failing. Obviously I'm not the first. The line is long.

 

Keep trying! WHAHAHAHAHA

 

No Thanks. Its your parents problem now.

 

I have no idea where you came up with the notion its my job to entertain you or lend credence to your emotions. I could care less how many first place trophies you've received for perfect attendence in Pee Wee sports. Thats not how real life works.
You made a ridiculous claim but can offer no proof or even emotional based idea why anyone should consider your claim valid.

I apologize to Wolverine and the entire forum for allowing this masquerade to continue on so long.

 

Well I love that you have decided my position for me.

See this is the problem with extremism. Anything that questions your position in the slightest is viewed as an attack of some sort or at the very least nonsense from the enemy.

I'm not against people owning guns nor do I think that certain guns should be banned for nonsensical reasons.

My point which you helped me illustrate is that people (on both sides) need to stop with the arguments that lend nothing to the conversation and actually harm their position.

The reason you want a gun over a rock or bat or any of the other things you mentioned is because guns are the most powerful, the most deadly of all your options making your comparison of them absurd.

There is a reason you prefer to protect yourself with a gun instead of say a knife and it’s the same reason criminals prefer to use guns.

Your argument eats itself and actually bolsters the oppositions position.

Unlike all of those other things you mentioned guns were made to kill. People can collect them, they can use them for target practice or all manner of non lethal activities but that does not change the fact that guns were made to kill and have been continually improved to do so faster and more accurately.

Stop pretending guns are something they are not and you will gain the support or at least the respect of those on the fence who realize there is problem that needs to be addressed.

This isn’t a game and bringing the conversation to a place of absurdities turns a lot of people off.

 

So still not wanting to be honest with me or yourself? Classic! LOL I guess we can just assume that you have no earthly idea on whether a pistol grip adds function or not! I wonder why?

 

Clubs, swords and bows and arrows were all only made to kill, and have been continuously improved upon. It matters not if you have a golf club, a child's archery set or a fencing sword ---all have the same purpose----to kill.

Trivializing the sport aspect of owning firearms isn't being fair, and it certainly won't solve the REAL crime problem here in the US found in violent inner-cities.

How would you stop the 500+ murders a year in Chicago. Leftist Dems already have banned handguns that are used in a large percentage of the crimes. And your intolerance for "assault rifles" will not help if almost none of the murders were done with any variation on what you imagine one might be.

How about some workable ideas?

 

Golf clubs were made to kill?

Trivializing the lethal aspect of Guns has no purpose in a debate about people being killed by guns. The next time there are a bunch of golf club killing sprees or when the news comes out that gangs have traded in their guns for swords we'll discuss it but until then the topic is guns - people dying from guns - and what we can do about it. Again the argument eats itself, why would you rather have a gun for protection than a sword or even archery set? That reason is why the comparison is absurd.

My intolerance for assault rifles? Show me where I said I had intolerance for assault rifles. Again this is another example of extremism changing one’s ability to perceive beyond their bias. Or perhaps it was just a Freudian slip? I don't care what guns, what they look like, what they sound like, it doesn't matter to me, if the professionals (military personal, law enforcement, etc.) tell me banning these guns or those will help or provide another plan that will work to create a solution then so be it. I don't have a stake in this beyond saving lives which means there are no guns I will value saving over any solution. Fear of losing something people want combined with other absurd politically charged fears are polluting the conversation.

Wanna save your guns stop treating them like they are anything but lethal instruments which would prove your position to be that of a responsible, reasonable, educated gun owner who knows the danger guns present and people who don't already agree with you would want to hear what you have to say.

See above.

I’d rather hear what the men and women who put themselves in harms way against these illegally obtained weapons have to say then a bunch of people whose bias will ultimately pollute the debate.

I don’t agree with what either side has to say based on affiliation, show me something that matters to the conversation that is well thought out and informed and I’ll listen.

 

A gun is device that fires a projectile out of a barrel---simple stuff. A club hits things. Modern guns are vastly more effeceint than bows or clubs---but people weren't killing each other in the US with clubs, bows or even guns as much before 50 years ago. Guns were pretty much the same from the early 1960's until the late 1980's---the "bad" high capacity guns were not common until the late 1980's---as most police depts didn't upgrade from their six-shooters
to the high capacity handguns until the early 1990's. Yet crime went way up for some reason---and it for sure wasn't the "bad" guns' fault.

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What really matters to this converstion is workable solutions to violent crime. I asked how you would get the urban thugs in Chicago from killing each other in high numbers. You gave vauge and evasive answers. If you have something of substance to share, then stop talking in circles, and put something down.

 

They most certainly do. Your the fool that brought up hip shooting therefore you MUST know something about it and HAVE DONE IT, RIGHT??? No??? Of course you know nothing about it except what you have seen Hollywood put out. Pistol grips help to study the weapon when you bring it to your shoulder, period. And REX, I'm not avoiding anything, it's you that refuses to answer questions. Quit looking silly and go look up thumb hole stocks and SEE what pistol grips and thumb hole stocks are for. No REX, they have the same function.

 

Rex, go look up what your talking about. A flash suppressor is a round piece of metal about 2 inches long with 4 slots cut so the flame shots out at a 45% angel to the shooters eye and allows the SHOOTER to be able to see better than if he didn't have it and it's made for low light and night shooting, go look it up and quit looking so dang silly!! You can NOT suppress and explosion and that's what happens when you fire a shot, a small explosion that can be seen on the other end of the weapon you fired REGARDLESS of you do.

I posted the "Barrel Shroud" already, go look it up!!

 

Your point was that hip shooting WAS one of the uses a pistol grip was used for.

 

Well, since you have to play the laughing hyena go read it for yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_suppressor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_shroud

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_grip

Now go look at some thumb hole rifle stocks;

http://www.brownells.com/items/thumbhole-rifle-stocks.aspx

http://www.rifle-stocks.com/straightlinethumbhole.htm

 

And a flash suppressor is added for function or is it added just to make the gun look scary??? WATCH how you run from this to keep from admitting that it has a function outside of cosmetics. That will be music to my eyes! LMAO!