If a man was unarmed why wouldn't police shoot him in the leg instead of the chest?

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  1. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Arms and legs are difficult target to hit, and you can still die with a shot to your limps.

    There is not a safe place to shoot someone.
     
  2. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Who is claiming police are crack shot?

    They certainly are not.
     
  3. tkolter

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    Officers are trained IF they go for their gun and they use it to eliminate the threat with lethal force, that means the chest, in order to maximize their safety and any others in harms way.

    Tasers are am option but that also is not 100% safe for the target.
     
  4. Diuretic

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    "Incapacitate". There is no intent to kill, just to stop the person there and then.
     
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    Quite true. That would be a counsel of perfection. All there needs to be is a level of proficiency in the use of the firearm which includes knowing when to use it, that is, when to draw the firearm in the first place. It's obvious that if the firearm comes out of the holster that it is then much more easily obtained by another party, so leaving it holstered until it's absolutely necessary to draw and level the firearm is imperative.
     
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    Yet police outside of our bloody, violent country manage to avoid shooting their citizens dead. Funny how that works.
     
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    Depends on the race of the person. If its a black person rushing you then they will just knock you out with a punch. If its a white person they will run up and wrestle you (Irish head butt so watch out for them) and if its an Asian you are screwed because they know the "Death Strike" which can instantly kill you.
     
  8. Dayton3

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    What others have said:

    1) Police are taught to shoot center of mass
    because

    A) There is no assurance a torso shot will stop a dangerous person.
    B) Likewise there is no assurance a limb shot won't be fatal. In fact there is a saying that any leg wound above the knee can be fatal
    C) It is much more difficult for a regular police officer firing under stress to hit an arm or a leg.
    D) A leg or arm shot is much more likely to have a shell that continues on and hits a bystander.

    All in all, unless you are a trained sniper working with a spotter, you don't shoot at the arms or legs.
     
  9. Finley99

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    If a man shoots another man who is unarmed it's because deep down inside he's afraid of what the other man might do to him if he didn't shoot. Basically....he's either a racist or a coward or both. Think about it....in the recent past how many unarmed Whites have been shot to death!
     
  10. Coniuratus

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    Horrible training, and lack of training in high stress situations.
    Along with that, shooting someone in the leg who is moving is a very difficult task. It does not seem like it would but it is. Couple that with the lack of training, adrenaline and legs being a small target versus the chest, it becomes difficult for such shots to be made.

    http://tinyurl.com/naj56cb

    Just look at this video above of a cop missing multiple shot fired from just feet away and missing horribly. Just imagine trying to shoot someone at a riot or while someone you think really has a weapon. Training needs to be overhauled completely.
     
  11. Tram Law

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    Also, some people on drugs such as b ut not limited to PCP become pretty much invulnerable to this. Some people will shrug off tasers and rubber bullets.
     
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    Rupture the femoral artery and they still bleed out before help can arrive. Break or worse shatter a major bone and shock and blood loss can leave you just as dead. On top of which even a cracked bone may not be enough to stop him. A dude pumped full of enough meth or even on a simple adrenaline rush can power through a bucket load of pain and still be able to deal serious damage upon arrival.
     
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    A few hundred more than African-Americans. You are a wealth of misinformation.
     
  14. YouLie

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    Cops don't shoot to disarm or disable. It's probably already been said here, but oh well. They have less than lethal tools so they don't have to shoot to disable unarmed people. The question you should be asking is why they skip the entire use of force continuum and go to lethal force.
     
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    How many times did Rodney king bounce back up after he was hit by a tazer? Not to mention which if the target has a bum ticker he'll very likely be just as dead afterward. To say nothing of the fact that the tazers have a rather short range.
     
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    Rodney King wasn't tasered. He was beaten with batons. What does that have to do with my post?
     
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    um no he was beaten with batons because tazing proved ineffective. That's one of the reasons they thought he was on PCP at the time. By the way those night sticks are also considered less than lethal.
     
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    People who carry guns for a living are trained to shoot-to-kill.
     
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    My bad.

    Yes, batons are considered less than lethal. I still don't know what point you're trying to make. Are you familiar with the use of force continuum and established guidelines for escalation of force?
     
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    And tasers are not used without backup by cops with guns, for the most part.
     
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    Here's what I propose; when someone is on a tirade with a gun, knife, piece of wood, whatever...assuming they are outdoors, send in a drone/robot to bomb the person with 200-300 pounds of sticky icky goo with an ingredient which burns the eyes. Or any other thing one can imagine using UNARMED drones/robots instead of officers...
     
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    Because shooting a moving leg is hard to do and there's a good chance you won't stop the attacker even if you manage to hit his leg.
     
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    Because only the good guys use the right force to subdue a citizen, that's why.

    The bad guys use deadly force at all times. So if an irate citizen loses his temper, and slaps a cop, well, that deserves execution, on the spot, and the amount of lead that ends up in the dead body is only dependent upon how many cops are there, and the magazine size. For they will all unload on you to make sure, for dead men tell no tales.

    We are at a place in history where their really isn't much difference between the cops and the thugs. Neither respect any life, but their own, and both will kill you deader than hell, for not looking or acting in the proper manner.

    Our police used to view themselves as men who protect and serve the public. These days they all think they are special forces in a foreign enemy land, and act in that manner. This all was enabled by the war on the American people's sovereignty over their own bodies, which is also called the war on drugs. And when you try to own another man's body, you of course are gonna get some blowback, for people don't like being owned. But this gov't effectively does own every body, and if you put something in it that they don't like, they will imprison you, sometimes for the rest of your natural life. So, when we sink this low, taking away the right to own our bodies, of course the cops are gonna shoot to kill, whenever they feel like it. For you belong to them, and they can do whatever they want to their property.
     
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    The point I've been trying to make since my first post in this thread is that Once a man launches an attack against a cop no matter what weapon he is wielding he has dramatically increased his chance of never seeing tomorrow no matter how he cop responds. Blaming cops for the predictable outcome of someone else's stupidity is stupid.

    A man who is a threat to a cop is automatically a threat to everyone else in the neighborhood as well.
     
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    Not if it's a black kid. In order to prove he's not a racist, the cop should let the black kid take his gun and shoot him.

    Black lives matter, you!
     

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