If Muslims hate America(infidels), why are you here?

Indeed, and despite his protestations about ''two houses'' in post #49, he has previously argued that ''moderate Muslims'' are ''radicals waiting to happen.''

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/262540-moderate-muslim-there-such-thing.html

Yes, but that's the logical conclusion, based on common sense, which he evidently dislikes being pointed out.

Dusty

 

Read up on Islam a bit more and come back and discuss. right now you're just lost.

 

Is there a penny's worth of difference between Islam and the doctrine of the Old Testament?

 

As far as I can tell, instructions in the Quran for Muslims to use violence is only when they believe they are being oppressed, and there are further instructions which say that the violence must end when the oppressors desist. That's what I've gathered from looking up translations of the Quran to put into context such oft mentioned phrases as ''slay them wherever ye find them'' etc.

Whereas in the OT, believers are literally instructed to kill all the inhabitants of a town, including all the livestock, and to then burn the town down, if it transpires that any one person from that town has tempted anyone from the believer's town, to worship a god other than Jehovah. Which is just one of many examples:

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Out of the three main Abrahamic religions, Christianity certainly seems to be the most passive one, too passive in my opinion with it's ''turn the other cheek'' teachings. Islam is more realistic in this sense as it teaches people to fight back, rather than run away and hide. But overall I would personally favour Christianity out of them all, due to it's golden rule of doing to others what you would have others do to you.

From what I've been able to gather about Judaism, it teaches Jews to try harder than anyone else, which would explain the fact that the average Jew is more successful than the average gentile, in whatever they decide to do. Which is an admirable quality, and something that anyone can aspire to.

But as for taking the religious texts literally, the OT is definitely the nasty one.

Dusty

 

I doubt if he has common sense, he would just label the rattlesnake a rightwinger. His perceived enemy in his mind is the right, forget about the muslims that killed 3,000 people, they are just an aberration.

 

Yeah.. That sounds lovely until you get a majority of religious boobs overriding the smart people. If majority rule = idiocracy, then I'm not so excited at the prospect.

 

it is a purely economic need; a complicated economic need yes; but only that. the muslims are not in north america to become a part of the culture. neither are the chinese. neither are the spanish. neither are the japanese. neither are the africans. and now neither are the europeans. ?? where you a european once ?? lets talk about it.

vlad

 

If I was a muslim I wouldn't be a muslims any longer as soon as I looked at the west. Why would god bless those infidels and let the faithful be so backwards? i'd puzzled, really puzzled.

 

This thread takes cultural ignorance and plain idiocy to whole new levels.

 

Great post.. and I would add that the teaching of turn the other cheek was teaching th people how to cope with the Roman ocupation which was very oppressive.

 

Akhi, welcome to Political Forum

 

Something the Muslims tried with the Pagans when they left Mecca to Medina. Unfortunately the Quraish didn't quite like that idea.

 

No offense, but I sort of look at you as representative of the real enemy. Muslims don't bother me, but you.....

 

It is idiocy to believe in an invisible sky deity no matter what his name is. And what's even more asinine is for a person to believe in another's ethnocentric religious fairy tale.

 

Thankyou. I can well imagine that would have been the case, and it's not surprising that the Romans chose Christianity as their state religion, in order to make the population of their empire as passive as possible.

But I'm happy to say it didn't work in Scotland, as they had to build a wall to keep us out. The Scots must have been the ''terrorists'' in those days.

Dusty

 

Thanks

You do realize that by calling all religious people idiots your probably insulting at least half of the people you know. No the idiocy is to believe that an entire race and culture of people are out to get you .

 

Statistics demonstrate that education and the society people were brought up in, have much more to do with how likely people are to believe in a deity, than intelligence levels. I am not aware of any statistics which show that people who are born in countries where belief in a deity is more prevalent, are in any way less intelligent on average, than people who are born in a country where belief in a deity is less prevalent.

I used to believe in the Christian god when I was very young, because that's what my parents taught me, as did their parents before them, etc. I really don't remember when I came to the conclusion that deities more than likely exist only in people's imaginations, it's not like it was an event, but it seems that most of the people I grew up with came to the same conclusion. And I wouldn't accuse anyone of ''idiocy'' because they have had less of an education than myself, or because they grew up in a different society from me.

It was really until the 1960s in the UK, and much of Europe, that any significant number of people began to question what they had been taught, so most would grow up just assuming that the Christian god exists. Although by the mid-1800s or so, most Christians in the UK had learned that the Bible is not an accurate history book, which makes it so surprising that there are all these Evangelicals today, particularly in the US, who do believe it's completely accurate in every way, no matter what evidence is presented to the contrary. But it does seem that most younger Americans are now questioning what they have been taught, and Christian youth in America are leaving the Church as a result. Which as you'll no doubt appreciate has the side effect of giving the fundamentalists more reason to believe that the end times are nigh.

Thinking about it now, Christianity is the most far fetched of the Abrahamic religions because Christians are expected to believe in a three part god, one of which took on human form. While according to Islam, the Bible has been corrupted over time, the Jesus character is not the son of God, but he did really exist. And as evidence suggests all of that may well be true, you must agree that gives some weight to Islam. Perhaps I would still be a believer had I been brought up as a Muslim, particularly in a less developed country than the UK. You might also be a believer had you been brought up in a different society to the one you were brought up in. You can't know you wouldn't be, but you would still be you. It's unfortunate for Muslims that Islam is most prevalent in the region of the world which has most of the oil, in that the imperial power(s) of the day always want to dominate it and keep the indigenous populations in the dark ages. All of which makes religion more important in their lives, since they have little else.

But then of course religion is much more than just belief in a deity, it's primary purpose is to teach people how to live. While I don't believe the vast majority of people need a religion to teach them how to live these days, despite what they themselves might think, that in itself is no bad thing. In India where temples are dedicated to various gods, Brahma, the Hindu creator god and one of the main three gods, has relatively few temples dedicated to him these days, while most temples are now dedicated to the other two main Hindu gods who are more concerned with day to day living.

I would think that when fundamentalism in the US is eventually pushed to the fringes, and imperialism in the middle east finally ends, then we will begin to see an end to all the problems in the world associated with religion. Mainstream churches certainly here in the UK, and no doubt many other churches and mosques etc all over the world, are like community centres, funded mostly by small private donations, which adhere to a set of common rules, and interact with each other. Their function being to enable people in the local communities to get to know each other better, and to help the poor and oppressed. And that's certainly no bad thing, even though they are run by ''idiots'' who believe in ''invisible sky deities.''

Dusty

 

This is the kind of hate speech that caused the attack on the Libyan embassy that killed the ambassador and three other Americans. I wonder if this isn't the guy that made that hate film that has caused unrest in eleven different countries. About the only posts I've seen from him are hate for Muslim comments. This dude is the problem, not the solution. These posts are not from a real Christian. These comments are from a dark evil energy. They are designed to cause hate and killing. Why this forum tolerates this hate speech is beyond my comprehension.

 

The Westboro Baptist Church finally got wifi I think lol

He is about as much a representative of Christianity as Choudary is of Islam. Self-proclaimed, but nothing more.

 

Sure, and what kind of speech do you consider "Death to America" to be?

GTFOH! TROLL!!

 

Do you really think God is going to except that as an excuse for your hate? Really lame dude, really lame.

 

Ok Sympathizer for the Insane. I hear you!!!!

 

Ah, so the libyan muslims are just angry animals that can't think for themselves and shouldn't be held accountable for their actions like normal people are? Because if some one says or does something they don't like they have the right to kill people? It's kinda funny, that lefties are really the ones who think they are animals now adays..

 

And the majority of muslims do not do that either, nor support doing it. Muslims extremists make up a minity of Muslims, just like only a small groups of Christians support the KKK, or the Neonazis.

 

The question is why are Americans doing in theirs? History shows that it was the west that was in their Country first. So if Americans want certain people out of their Country, then Americans show make their Government get out of other people's Country and leave them alone.