IF Obamacare worked, would you support it?

And you want the 'system as a whole' to be run by govt. I and others do not.

I do not want the govt to run HC. They can set standards and make the private sector adhere to the standards. There are many examples of the failure of govts to run HC. Why do you want the govt to run HC?

 

Admit it, your a state's rights liberal.

 

No need to be snide. If you suffer from white guilt, just say so. Many Obamites do.

 

For me its because the government has proven adept and superior to the private sector in running most things through the years and across the world.

 

Racial Preferences in Obama Care, Article #004

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/30/obamacares-racial-bigotry/

 

No Im not guilty, the blacks do need a hand up though so I dont mind if they get help. Some minority representation is just so much small potatoes though. Really pointless.

 

No. Anything that infringes upon the rights of the governed can not be justified.

 

You don't live here. That makes you ignorant and ill equipped to speak to our govt. If you think your govt knows best for you, fine. Here in the USA they have mangled many things that the private sector should have been entrusted with.

 

Racial Preferences in Obama Care, Article #005

http://www.examiner.com/article/leg...ck-obama-health-care-plan-as-unconstitutional

 

More ignorance from abroad. Stick to what you know which definitely is not the USA.
I have known many. many blacks as well as other minorities over the last 40 years who have done great in business and life in general without the govt giving them preference.

 

If you cross Edmund Burke with Genghis Khan you get Albert Di Salvo.

 

Racial Preferences in Obama Care, Article #006

http://www.mindingthecampus.com/forum/2010/03/obamacares_sad_racial_provisio.html

 

They have basic coverage regardless of what hogwash you want to peddle ... and patriotism is certainly not the government stealing money from citizens to buy private products for their voters.
If you want more than basic coverage ... you have to pay for it ... and have no right to make everybody else pay for it.

Now go ahead and act stupid ... like you don't understand that ... because I really don't think you are stupid.

Forcing someone else to pay your bills is certainly not good, American, moral or patriotic.
I understand you want universal coverage ... But just because you want it doesn't make it right, moral or patriotic.

If you want to feel more self-righteous or patriotic by paying for someone else's medical bills ... Knock yourself out.
Nobody is stopping you from going down to the hospital and donating whatever you want to whomever you want ... just stop trying to donate other people's money.

Everybody doesn't need to pay for other people's health care ... Outside of what we already pay for at public institutions.
Again ... you are just trying to argue and acting like you don't understand the points that you already deserted.

I am saying that Obamacare doesn't fix anything ... and only comes closer to forcing people to subscribe to another universal welfare program.
I am saying that it is nothing more than attempts for Democrats to steal more money from the successful, seize more control over the healthcare industry and get more votes on election day.

If you want to be an Democrat campaign supporter ... do it with your own money, and not someone else's.
Now act like you don't understand what I mean by that ... and tell me how patriotic it is to buy votes with other people's money.

If I want a chef and personal waiter in my hospital room, I would have to pay for that.
If someone needs surgery they can get it at any government run hospital ... and if they cannot afford it, they won't have to pay.

Your class envy and jealousy is beginning to overriding your points.

No ... I never said Obama care set up government hospitals ... make your own hogwash points without trying to say I said something I didn't.
Obamacare forces citizens to subsidize the healthcare of others ... and where you think that is right ... I think it is wrong.

And you still have yet to produce an argument to support your point ... outside of some unspoken desire to help others because they want access to a private product at the cost of someone else.
If you think people need help ... get to helping them ... just don't think you have the right to force other people to.

 

My objection is that the ends never justify the means. It isn't right to infringe on the rights of people to accomplish one's ends.

 

Racial Preferences in Obama Care, Article #007

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/12/15...ially-discriminatory-provisions-in-obamacare/

 

People from Scotland tend to be some of the most pretentious, self-righteous asses i have ever come across. Realizing truth and facts to them appears to come second to stroking their egos at any chance they get.

 

Racial Preferences in Obama Care, Article #008

http://www.realverse.com/racial-preferences-in-obamcare/

These articles are not hard to come by, are often written by very credible sources from journalists and lawyers, and denote the wide spread concerns Americans have to the expansion of Government Institutionalized Racial Discrimination into the fields of Medicine and Higher Education.

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What?!?! I think you must have a VERY different definition of "adept" and "superior". Can you please present examples of a government run agency that is not overrun by redundancy, bureaucracy, ridiculous red tape, and constant fraud? One large examples of what HC should NOT be like is the IRS..yet that is the agency chosen to enforce it?!?! So many things wrong with this thing is not a matter of IF it works. IF it did work...IT would NOT be Obamacare.

 

Yes it does. You really should learn to read. And this is WITHOUT a preexisting condition. Other than idiocy.
http://www.jsonline.com/business/health-care-costs-for-family-of-four-to-top-20000-d95e6f2-151550145.html

http://insight.milliman.com/article.php?cntid=8359&utm_source=milliman&utm_medium=web&utm_content=MMI-mktg&utm_campaign=Healthcare&utm_terms=Milliman+Medical+Index

 

uh, yeah, it is more important. Freedom is either the highest principle or it's not. It's not just important in some cases, it's always important.

 

If fairy magic could summon unicorns and rainbows, I'd support that too. Fairy magic is about as likely to exist as central planning is to be effective.

 

That comes to $1667 per month. Per month. Do you honestly believe people with no pre-existing are paying that? Reading is fine. Commonsense is worth more.

 

Well obviously you don't have it. Either you are still on mummie and daddie's health plan courtesy of Obamacare or you are blissfully unaware about what it REALLY costs your employer for insurance. That's going to change. Oh and watch those deductables and copayments. They're a killer. There's a BIG difference between Catastrophic health insurance (cancer, heart attack, body cast, gunshot wound) and what MOST people think of as medical insurance ($10-$20 copay for doctor visit, couple hundred $ deductible).

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/fieldclinic/Youre-about-to-find-out-what-your-health-insurance-really-costs.html

 

The claim of adding (x) million of people to a program, while maintaining quality, and resulting in lower premiums, is an economic impossibility.

 

No because that just means the taxpayers are paying for it on the other end. Medicine is way up in costs as government got involved and this will continue unfortunately. Soon we will get the kind of bad medical service Europeans have become accustomed to.