If "Our Creator" endowed us with rights...

Dude you're going way off topic. The income tax was illegal and the government lied. When you pay over 40 cents a gallon federal tax on gasoline, federal taxes on the oil and tires for your car - and then there are hundreds of other taxes, it just isn't justifiable. You're trying to avoid an uncomfortable fact. You believe in God. You believe in a government god, but you believe in God.

 

Income tax is not illegal. That old saw has been around a LONG time. If it were illegal, it would be the largest single issue we've faced in decades. It would be catastrophic.

Gasoline tax is how we pay for roads - how does that not make sense? That seems like one of the more logical taxes we have!

Government is "god"? You have a SERIOUSLY deranged idea of what god is.

 

So will all liberty loving people.

Ask any gay or woman. Even in the vile mainstream religions.

Is it any wonder that atheism is the fastest growing demographic?

Not being an atheist, I would have little respect for them if they were not opening atheist churches.

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DL

 

Except that Eve was an afterthought to stupid Yahweh who forgot that to reproduce, it takes a man and a woman.

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DL

 

The host represents an adult Jesus and the wine his blood, so it is a short hop to eating babies whrn your mind is already compromised and corrupted by your religion.

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DL

 

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Yahweh, the prick, demanded that his son de sacrificed to gain our forgiveness for his unjust condemnation, so your Yahweh is no better than a Sun god. Worse in fact as no Sun god ever demanded a sacrifice.

Regards
DL

 

I disagree with your last. Non-violence is a great way to bring authorities that oppress a nation to it's knees. Ghandy said something like that but I could not easily find it.

https://www.brainyquote.com/topics/non-violence-quotes

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DL

 

Are the images you see in this link your idea of god creating us in his image?



Most Christian just run away because they cannot justify their beliefs when compared to the evidence.

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DL

 

and that has worked in what country under oppression?

 

I will not agree with you on this point buddy, only because of the enforcement and granting of rights.

Let's get specific thought to make sure I understand you. Can you give a couple of examples?

I do think the no divorce for women law might be what you are talking about, but cannot hink of any other right or issue that infers, confers what we call rights.

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DL

 

India for one. There are more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_revolution

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DL

 

We are born with a moral compass. Baby experiments have proven it.

We default to cooperation and doing good to others as that is the best survival strategy. It is what our selfish gene bids us do.

Regards
DL

 

Government is YOUR god, not mine.

Gasoline are but one kind of tax. Are you really that dense?

1. Federal income tax
2. State income tax
3. Local income tax
4. Employee social security tax (your employer pays the other half)
5. Employee Medicare tax (your employer pays the other half)
6. Property taxes
7. Road toll charges
8. State sales tax
9. Driver's license renewal fee
10. TV Cable/Satellite fees & taxes
11. Federal telephone surtax, excise tax, and universal surcharge
12. State telephone excise tax and surcharge
13. Telephone minimum usage and recurring/nonrecurring charges tax
14. Gas/electric bill fees & taxes
15. Water/sewer fees & tax Cigarette tax
16. Cigarette Tax
17. Alcohol tax
18. Federal gasoline tax
19. State Gasoline Local gasoline tax

1. Federal inheritance tax
2. State inheritance tax
3. Gift tax
4. Bridge toll charges
5. Marriage license
6. Hunting license
7. Fishing license
8. Bike license fee
9. Dog permit/license
10. State park permit
11. Watercraft registration & licensing fees
12. Sports stadium tax
13. Bike/nature trail permit
14. Court case filing fee
15. Retirement account early withdrawal penalty
16. Individual health insurance mandate tax
17. Hotel stay tax
18. Plastic surgery surcharge
19. Soda/fatty-food tax
20. Air transportation tax
21. Electronic transmission of tax return fees
22. Passport application/renewal fee
23. Luxury & gas-guzzler car taxes
24. New car surcharge
25. License plate and car ownership transfer taxes
26. Yacht and luxury boat taxes
27. Jewelry taxes & surcharges
28. State/local school tax
29. Recreational vehicle tax
30. Special assessments for road repairs or construction
31. Gun ownership permit
32. Kiddie tax (IRS form 8615)
33. Fuel gross receipts tax
34. Waste Management tax
35. Oil and gas assessment tax
36. Use taxes (on out-of-state purchase)
37. IRA rollover tax/withdrawal penalties
38. Tax on non-qualified health saving account distributions
39. Individual and small business surtax (page 336 of Obamacare)
40. Estimated income tax underpayment penalty
41. Alternative Minimum Tax on income
    Business Taxes & Fees
42. Federal corporate income tax
43. State corporate income tax
44. Tax registration fee for new businesses
45. Employer social security tax
46. Employer Medicare tax
47. Federal unemployment tax
48. State unemployment tax
49. Business registration renewal tax
50. Worker's compensation tax
51. Tax on imported/exported goods
52. Oil storage/inspection fees
53. Employer health insurance mandate tax
54. Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (page 2001/Sec. 9007 of Obamacare)
55. Tax on Innovator Drug Companies (Page 2010/Sec. 9008 of Obamacare)
56. Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers (Page 2020/Sec. 9009 of Obamacare)
57. Tax on Health Insurers (Page 2026/Sec. 9010 of Obamacare)
58. Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans, i.e. "Cadillac" plans
59. Tax on indoor tanning services
60. Utility users tax
61. Internet transaction fee (passed in California; being considered in other states and at federal level)
62. Professional license fee (accountants, lawyers, barbers, dentists, plumbers, etc.)
63. Franchise business tax
64. Tourism and concession license fee
65. Wiring inspection fees
66. Household employment tax
67. Biodiesel fuel tax
68. FDIC tax (insurance premium on bank deposits)
69. Electronic waste recycling fee
70. Hazardous material disposal fee
71. Food & beverage license fee
72. Estimated income tax underpayment penalty
73. Building/construction permit
74. Zoning permit

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Sorry, but this board will not let me list these in a cut and paste from my list. I have some more taxes if you want to keep this going. I've done, what 100 or thereabouts? More than half of a working man's wages are confiscated via taxes.

As per your view on the income tax:

 

And some civilizations practice cannibalism. What a moral compass!

 

Where have you been for 5,000 years?

You showed intelligence by accepting what I put, then pop up with this idiocy.

I will give you the chance to make your case though.

Name any modern state that has cannibalism. Give us the numbers.​

Regards
DL

 

modern state?

 

more like it would be the largest graveyard coverup we've faced in decades. Oh wait thats what it already is!

 

More complaining.

As I've asked before, if you want to condemn something about our government, then propose how it could be improved.

 

If you can wrench yourself away from your complaining, I'm open to hearing what you would propose as a soution.

 

how many times you need to hear it will?
Repeal the 14th, return to original intent.
Repeal the 14th, return to original intent.
Repeal the 14th, return to original intent.
Repeal the 14th, return to original intent.
Repeal the 14th, return to original intent.
Repeal the 14th, return to original intent.
Repeal the 14th, return to original intent.
Repeal the 14th, return to original intent.
Repeal the 14th, return to original intent.
Repeal the 14th, return to original intent.
Repeal the 14th, return to original intent.
Repeal the 14th, return to original intent.
does that help?

 

What has modern got to do with it?

 

This needs to be said many more times.

 

That amendment has several parts. So, it's only a partial help.

You really need to state how you would resolve the hole left by deleting what you want to delete. For example, if you want to kill the ability to borrow or tax or whatever, you need to explain how the US would work under that proposal.

Otherwise, you're just back to complaining.

 

My U.S. Congressman, after hearing years of the information presented in my last two posts from me (and many others) authored the most researched proposed legislation in U.S. history. Had it not been for the Clintons using Donald Trump to flip the right, an idea was on the table. I don't know whether I would have ultimately backed it; however, it would have eliminated the IRS and the income tax:

https://fairtax.org/about/how-fairt...66BHE6R8SRHaEQbDSz24pKGWe5ZHMc4gaAtqxEALw_wcB

 

You can't figure out what FairTax actually does by flashing a very few big numbers in someone's face.

FairTax cuts the tax of the wealthy significatly.

The result is that someone else has to pay more taxes in order to meet the equal revenue point.

Also, your flash cards show FairTax with a wide range of tax rates. But, FairTax has usually been flat. And, it says nothing about corporate tax rates.

Some of the sales jobs people give for FairTax "solve" that problem by suggesting we didn't need that revenue anyway, so not collecting it is OK. But, that is NOT the way it works, obviously. But, that's not a comparison of revenue collection methods - that's a statement about the spending side. And, we can just as easily cut our spending TODAY. It's not dependent on the method of raising revenue.

Any comparison has to be revenue neutral.

They say that the IRS is no longer needed. But, that assumes that congress will no longer be able to incent various activities by offering tax breaks. And, that is a highly efficient method of inreasing behaviors we want to have happen. The other methods are law, regulation, etc.- also with their downsides.

Also, the IRS is how we choose to not collect taxes from those who have little income and to determine whether social safetynet support of various types is warranted. If you kill the IRS, how do you plan to determine who needs help and who doesn't?

I didn't see solutions for these and other issues among your flash cards.