Illarionov: Diplomatic Statement on Ukraine is "München –2014",Putin acts like Hitler

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  1. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

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    That was a link about a political philosopher who drew tenious parallels to the plots of a nazi leader. Russia's ACTUAL plans aren't documented. Show me where, coming from Russia, not the suppositions of others.

    The only thing specific brought up is the propaganda plan.. Of course they wage information war, the same pretty much any country. THAT doesn't prove the Russians plan to blitzkrieg their way from coast to coast of Eurasia and conduct genocide against all undesirables. I couldn't even find the doc because the BBC link just went to some chat page.

    I would say as soon as they do it, or claim they want to.. Neither of us have a seat at the Russian round table, to actually know what they truly plan to do.

    When did I ever suggest that?

    They HAD their self determination, with a voted on constitution and president. That all ended in a violent coup, at which point the new government IMMIDEIATLY removed Russia as an official language, and would go on to impose apartheid laws.

    The referendum was not ideal, but it is the closest than anbody ever came to give people a voice. What would you suggest for Russians living in SE Ukraine, exposed to apartheid laws, under a government they didn't vote for, to have their self-determination? What recourse do they otherwise have? Or should they be forced to bow down to the new fascists in charge?

    I never said I would.. I said many of these people in Ukraine ARE being ruled by anti-Russian nationalists. That is a fact. After removing the official Russian language, outlawing waving or flying a Russian flag, banning pro Russian journalists, banning peaceful protests, they just yesterday banned Ethnic Russians from entering Ukraine. It's pure apartheid. What recourse do these Ukrainians otherwise have? Just sit there and take it and like it? What else was their solution?

    It is not the EU, the USA or the Ukrainians who are wanting an 'apartheid state' as you call it. It is one country and one country only and that country is Russia. Most East Ukrainians also want to be a united country. Crimea was illegally taken over with beatings arrests and torture of the opposition and don't take my word for it, that is what the UN says. Russia has now admitted to having her forces there.[/QUOTE]

    I don't want any takeovers. I said referendums where the people want them. Fragmentation.
     
  2. litwin

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  3. Gottheit

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    Yes, I was seen your links and I also started to search the information in Yandex.
    There only old links, maybe now situation is normal.
    I have never been interested in information of this kind.
    This hot news for the TV channel NTV.
    Sexual offenses were committed always, including acts of sodomy (for this reason, in the Criminal Code of the USSR there was a certain number of articles of criminal responsibility).
    But I was not interested in the juicy details of sex crimes and I do not see in the these acts of violation of the rights and freedoms of citizens in our country.
     
  4. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    its a normal in some way ...

    http://www.georgiatimes.info/en/articles/69853-2.html
     
  5. Gottheit

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    And you know , just the last year or two, we stopped receiving news about the crimes committed by residents Chechnya. I'm became very interested as they live now. Especially since I worked with Chechen girl and next to me lives the family of Chechen , left me with the most pleasant experience of these people .
    I subscribe to news Chechnya tweet read them regularly, I read an interviews with Kadyrov and watch televised reports about Chechnya.
    Such problems no longer exists, Kadyrov clearly ensures that the population of Chechnya even in remote corners of Russia to keep himself in bounds of decency .
    Now far more crimes commit gastrobaytery from Central Asia but not Russian people themselves .

    http://www.svoboda.org/content/article/1795518.html

    http://www.svoboda.org/media/video/2014098.html
     
  6. litwin

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    i see you one of those who will vote for Kadyrov , Kadyrov is a bandit, sadist and war-criminal
    http://fed.sibnovosti.ru/society/22...niya-banditov-iz-okruzheniya-ramzana-kadyrova

    more here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadyrovtsy
     
  7. Gottheit

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    Yes, a lot of material with a negative themes was taken by in the media since the beginning of the very first Chechen campaign. Chechen residents were presented as criminals and bandits.
    Alexander Nevzorov (you remember about him) was shooting much bloodthirsty video and movies for that would shock the people of Russia and the West.
    Kadyrov not denied the existence of cases of banditry in the territory of the republic. They first recognized those facts and successfully fought against these manifestations on the side of Russian secret services.
    We must also not forget that the bulk of the militants was trained in special bases funded by the U.S. government and conducted by instructors - professional soldiers of the U.S. Army. This is not the first time that a filing with the U.S. prepared and trained international terrorists.
    I see no reason for worry about this problem because the problem no longer exists. It is completely eliminated in Chechnya itself and in Russia as a whole. Links that you published now are outdated and battalions East and West have long disbandment.
    Kadyrov's interview for Radio Liberty is a completely fresh and you can see for yourself what mood now prevails in the country and in the minds of the Chechen people. Society is reformatted and soon everyone in the Chechnya will show its high level of education and culture.
     
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    you must be joking... Kiselev told it to you?

    ps
    Kadyrov : "I killed my first Russian when I was 16".

    [​IMG]
    old Good days ...

    Islamic "education and culture" or a secular one?
     
  9. Gottheit

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    I do not like Kiseleva, I love the order of
    In Chechnya is now law and order - this is important

    [video=youtube;hIO8U9omn5I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIO8U9omn5I[/video]
     
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    its a myth , killings, terrorism, kidnapping, sharia. are you gonna vote for Kadyrov? many say that he will be the next Russian president

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...tal-fear-as-president-backs-ho/#ixzz2zSUB4fwp
    Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
     
  11. Gottheit

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    I know that Kadyrov will be the next President Russia
    But this to be no sooner than Putin have be able serve his two term presidential rule
    During this time a lot might vary

    And yes, I'm for strict moral rules
     
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    This is true, now it is order in Chechna. Everyone obeys to Kadyrov. But Russia pays for this order a lot of money every year at the expense of other regions. If you look at the center of Groznu it is full of luxure. But if you go to Tula or Murmans- hero-cities, you will see how poor they are. If we do not pay- we can forget about peace in Chechnja.
    Personally, I would not vote for Kadyrov if he decides to participate in the elections. I do not want chechens occupy Moscow.
     
  13. Gottheit

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    Until the election of the President of Russia still very time consuming.
    Kadyrov in his own interviews repeatedly reported that the republic has long be going to self-financing. That the reconstruction of Grozny was made on the money Chechen oligarchs who were interested in recovering their country. You think Kadyrov could not find a way to impact on them?
     
  14. litwin

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    Gottheit is one of those Russian women who are affected by Caucasian men. who are not drinking, making money, family men. which is a myth, i am 100% sure you´d a better marriage material then Karyrov & C. ) i think its little bit late , they rule Moscow already even FSB can not stop them

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/...lease-of-chechen-cops-report-says/477488.html
     
  15. litwin

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    why he´d he can suck mother Russia forever

    ps

    Kadyrov lies, here is the facts


    www.bloombergview.com
    you and vis paid for this party :
    [video=youtube;cv097UTBo4Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=cv097UTBo4Y[/video]
     
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    ps
    [video=youtube;XtgxqLJ4pi4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XtgxqLJ4pi4[/video]
     
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  18. litwin

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    the best documentary about kadyrov
    [video=youtube;g88-mVn0zkI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g88-mVn0zkI[/video]
     
  19. Gottheit

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    You've certainly writing not classic English that I've learning now so I would like to clarify. I was not affected from Caucasian men, never.
    I am of the opinion that every woman should have a concept of honor, if she does not have it, then she must have be at least a feeling of fastidiousness towards relations on the side, it's absolutely not allowed.

    Yes, I many times have seen this information in all sorts of live journals, blogs, and forums. But I used to trust official sources and not the sick imagination of detractors.
    They are coming to the goal - a perfect, clean society

    [video=youtube;Z0_Q1fAOX1c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0_Q1fAOX1c[/video]

    [video=youtube;hEgpqe8KteE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEgpqe8KteE[/video]

    https://twitter.com/bzfrmt_che
     
  20. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    its PR company for a cannibal - kadyrov. i work with digital moving pictures i can make from anyone - an angel . . whats about NGO:s?
    http://www.gfbv.de/pressemit.php?id=688&PHPSESSID=460043a9ad74cade2aa4777e6c4c5248
     
  21. vis

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    Hm, I do not beleive to politicians, and less to Kadyrov. In fact, I do not know chechen oligarhs. Lisin, Vekselberg, Prokhorov, ..they are Russians. It is my strong belief, that apart from fight chechens can not do anything well enough. If there were oligarchs in Chechnya, of course, Kadyrov could influence them.
     
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    It is very likely, that Kadyrov was involved in the death of Politkovskaya.
     
  23. litwin

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    she tried to say expropriate not "influence " , and answer is - no.
    Kadyrov´s clan dominates Chechnya, but he has to respect other big clans interests as well . like Bulat Chagaev´s one . one of the strongest one today is probably is Baysarov Ruslan, who recently got the whole Crimean economy in his hands http://www.rumafia.com/person.php?id=107
     
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    i met her 1 week, before...she knew that she´d be killed.... Kadyrov killed many Russians ("i killed my first Russian soldier at age 15") . frankly Kadyrov doest have any respect towards the Russians, and he tells it openly (in Chechen language of cos)
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=605_1185284524&comments=1
     
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