Illegal immigrant child found dead at border.

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  1. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    The term illegal immigration in a legal sense means what I said. Here is the link. This term is used colloquially, not legally under Title 8 of the United states Code. We can also use in status and out of status, which is more accurate. Or we can use documented or undocumented, but that term can be misleading legally.

    TPS is not exactly the same as regugee status, but it is similar. The whoel point of TPS was to give regfuge to those that may not qualify for refugee status, but at the same time, cannot go back to their country of orign because they cannot demonstrate either political or religious harm under refugee status.

    The intent of the F visa status is to not violate INA 214(b), which is immigrant intent. Once that inent becomes known, that visa status becomes null and void. This is now more evident under SEVP and SEVIS. That is why the visa was null and void. Usually, tUSCIS will allow the end of term, if possible, for the visa to expire or for them to file timely the necessary documents and forms for change of adjustment of status. BTW, this is something you will not fine undera google search, but is pretty much accepted by immigration attorneys and USCIS.
     
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    So long as the chances of dying in the desert are lower than the chances of dying in Honduras, these kids will keep coming.
     
  3. Alwayssa

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    Tweaking the law isn't going to help. If we did this some 20 years ago, I agree, but not now.

    Again, the question for skilled vs unskilled is not a question of whether it is filled or not. It is a question of the process. For many unskilled jobs, it is punitive for any employer to file such forms for the pay and type of job given. That is why it is easier to hire illegal immigrants to fill those jobs. Second, the definition of skilled or unskilled is misinterpreted. A skilled worker can be a runway model while an unskilled worker can be a nurse who graduated from a nursing school not on the preferred list. Agricultural workers are very skilled, but they are also low paying jobs. The skill learned is basically doing the job for a period of time that cannot be taught in school or in a book. Given that most farmers are cash strapped which cannot pay for the H2A visa fees and that agricultural work is cyclical, that is why I like the Blue card. It eliminates that process and makes it more efficient.

    Finally, the E-Verify does have a 96% accuracy rate when that person is obviously has positive identification or negative identification. It handles the blatantly obvious very well, handles the merely obvious well, and the obvious well. What it does not hanled every well is naturalized US citizens when the last 6 months. Although enhancements have been made, the error rate on this particual sub group has not been substantially tested for accuracy. What is being tested is its overall appearance and there are still some problems with the program such as an employer not allowing the allotted time to substantiate the FNO or the fact that employers do not have to give th printout to the employee of what they inputted into the system. but I digress.
     
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    As I thought, the free online dictionary. :roll: Colloquially? SMH :roflol: Each type of alien has its own accurate descriptions, your description of your friend is not accurate to an illegal immigrant, but that of an immigrant possibly out-of-status since she was an admitted alien.

    The Secretary of Homeland Security may designate a foreign country for TPS due to conditions in the country that temporarily prevent the country's nationals from returning safely, or in certain circumstances, where the country is unable to handle the return of its nationals adequately. http://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/t...rture/temporary-protected-status#What is TPS? Directly from USCIS.

    If she came here as a student and did not intend to get married, then there is no intent.:roll: If she happens to get married while here on an F visa it does not negate the visas status. :roll: Her F visa was not null and void due to marriage while on the F visa.

    I know how it works, I've been through it twice, and my brother in law is an immigration attorney.
     
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    Ok I'll make you a deal, seal the border and deport the nearly hundred million illegal invaders already infesting America and then we'll have enough time and resources to handle the few thousand or so with circumstances worth taking a closer look at.

    But no, we won't be doing that because in the end its not about helping people that deserve it. Its about herding human cattle into the voting booths and pandering to them with enough free stuff so they'll vote Democrat while trying to run an bleeding-heart con game as interference.
     
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    Sure it will, adding additional "cards" will do nothing but make the process that much more prolonged and the bureaucratic nightmare will ensue.

    Most employers do not know they are hiring illegals, all they are required to do is fulfill the requirement of the I-9 form and submit it. That could take up to 90 days to receive a confirmation on the employee. In the meantime, people like you claim the employer is hiring illegals. :roll:

    Nurses fall under the H1 visas (skilled/specialty visas) while the H2 visas are the (un-skilled visas).

    As I said, tweak the H2A. The Blue card makes nothing more efficient, what it does do is allow a path to citizenship while the H2A does not, and makes 2 more guest worker programs. http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pub...?File_id=b3dfeec6-b55c-4977-8ef2-0fcefef1b93d

    So you were simply making the 50% claim up out of thin air. :roll: The feds already require the use of it on federal jobs, they simply haven't mandated it nationally yet. Some states mandate its usage on state govt jobs to include local govt jobs. It also has a self check feature that anybody can verify their own information. http://www.dhs.gov/how-do-i/verify-employment-eligibility-e-verify
     
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    Grossly over generalized claims don't an argument make.:roflol:
     
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    Ultimately the individual is responsible for his actions... in this case: the parents. BUT... put in the same circumstances as the desperately poor in Latin America, any one of us would do the same thing. What we need to do is shut off the magnet as you stated. No walls or fences will keep people out -- only a reason NOT to come will accomplish the goal of securing our border. Trouble is we don't have the will to make it happen because powerful interests on both sides of the debate have a vested interest in the status quo... YMMV.
     
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    We can close the loophole in the law that Obama and the human traffickers are using to flood the country with children from Central America.

    I agree that there re power brokers behind the scenes who push illegal "immigration" but the will of the people is powerful too.
     
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    There's close to 600 million people in Central and South America. They could all end up here. Think about it.
     
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    Maybe only 300 million will move here for a better life.

    After that America will be so screwed up with poverty that nothing would change for the other 300 million by moving here.
     
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    Actually, no it does not. the term illegal alien refers to the broad category of aliens that are not in status. In ICE reports that estimate illegal aliens, they use all three sub categories. The dominant sub category are EWI, but the second most dominant sub category are aliens who have overstayed their visas. and then you those aliens who violated the terms and conditions of their visas.

    You gave the general definition of what TPS is but you did not compare the definition of TPS to that of regugee status. The whole point of TPS is to allow aliens to stay in the United States based on a set of criteria for that particular country. However, with regfugee status, the rules are more strict than TPS, which is why that category was created to begin with.

    The terms and conditions of the student visa still apply once the visa is approved and you are here in the United States. Once your situation has changed, such as marriage, the intent changes, thus making the alien ineligible for that visa status.
     
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    the point about the blue card is about streamlining the process for that specific sub category of worker. BTW, that is "tweaking the law" as you have defined, so to speak. Again, you at the whole process. for the lower skilled jobs, the costs are too detrimental and risky for an employer to hire a "low skilled" foreign worker. That is why the employer will look elsewhere.

    Yes, the I-9, which is what E verify is BTW. The only difference between I9 and e verify is the verification of the documents involved. However, the program still has some issues that makes employers nervous using it. And that is also a problem too.

    Really, you have a weird or very limited definition of what a nurse is. AN RN is a nurse, What about an LVN. Or you know what that means. Do you think an LVN is not a nurse? Or do you know the foreign requirements of being a nurse is as compared to the U.S? An RN or an LVN are defined as nurses. and yet, even for an RN, the requirements to become an RN in like the Philippines or China is not necessarily the same as in the U.S. Yet the skills that they acquire are very much in demand and depending on where they got their education depends whether they qualify for the H1b or the H2b cisa. .

    Again, a nurse that does not have the educational experience that falls within the international standard of nursing will not qualify for the H1b visa, much less the O visa. They will qualify, however, for the H2b viasa. And the problem is that the H3 visa was eliminated in the early 2000's that has caused this specific problem.

    for the 50% on naturalized U.S. citizens, it is in the 2008 report. The only report on the everify system. But again, you keep missing the point about

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    you mean like your and z's claims?
     
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    ICE uses the term "Removals", it does not use the term "illegal Immigrants/aliens". :roll: https://www.ice.gov/doclib/about/offices/ero/pdf/2013-ice-immigration-removals.pdf

    I gave the USCIS definition, nothing was general about it.
    There really isn't that much of a difference between refugee and TPS, other than DHS being allowed to designate a country due to conditions in that country.


    Once she was married she only needed to apply to adjust status before her F visa expiration. Intent must be shown and proven to be denied. My wife came on the VWP to visit (90 day visa), we ended up marrying, we adjusted her to LPR. Her intent was to visit, it did not change her VWP expiration date after we got married, she only needed to apply for an adjustment of status; the same with your friend, her intent was education, she happened to get married, she merely needed to apply to adjust status before the expiration of her F visa. You don't seem to understand the term - intent.
     
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    The BC does not streamline anything, it merely gives those here already the card, and then creates 2 more categories of visas. I give you links, do you not read them?

    That's right, e verify is nothing more then an electronic version of the I-9 with immediate results. Many employers use it on their own, some states have made it mandatory, the only ones nervous about it are those that are illegal immigrant activists who want open borders.

    Don't forget the TN visa. Once again you go changing your argument to attempt to look intelligent. The foreign national and the position being sponsored must qualify for the visa.

    Why not simply be specific instead of trying to generalize, it is the LVN now that you are discussing, yet generalize the term as simply a nurse.:roll: With all that and you missed the H1C that expired in 2009, instead you claim the H3 as the reason. :roflol: The H3 is still used today, it has not been eliminated. :roll: Again, what about the TN visas for Mexico and Canada, it goes virtually unused.

    Well, NO, the last report on e verify was done in 2012. http://www.uscis.gov/e-verify/about-program/e-verify-program-reports :roflol:

    SMFH :roflol:
     

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