Illegal immigration at lowest point in 17 years, so why spend billions on the wall?

Nice. Easy to get a conviction then.

 

The wall is an unnecessary no brainer. Already the flow is 50% lower due to fear and a greatly increased border police presence.
According to Snopes.com and other sites, Obama has deported 2.7 million immigrants, and has been called "the deporter in chief."
Where there is a will, there is a way. Walls acting as a barrier do so mainly because there is always a way around it, if the effort is made. The billions of dollars that this wall will cost would be better used for infrastrucrure and inner cities.

A conviction for what? I am not questioning the legality, only the hypocrisy of the
man. He should set an example, but he doesn't want to pay American wages.
At Mara Largo, he is hiring immigrants today, as we speak, for his golf course,
and he decrees this week as Buy American Week. If he ain't doin' it, why should
anyone else? Catch my drift yet?

 

Immigration maybe but what about illegal drugs crossing the border, and possible muslim terrorist.

 

But I'm not a Trump voter. I don't care if he needs to be imprisoned, so be it. I just want the law enforced and strengthened.

 

Farmers are already complaining about a lack of help due fear by day workers of being tossed out. One farmer was interviewed on tv yesterday and said that 20% of his crop would have to be destroyed due to lack of help. My view is that Trump, by tossing the good with the bad, is hurting our economy, and we will end up with less jobs rather than more jobs.

 

1. I currently support legal, controlled immigration.

2. If welfare was abolished, I would support unrestricted immigration.

 

IMO the wall will fail in terms of curbing supply as demand must fall with supply else new supply routes and or smuggling techniques will be established. The black market lives or dies by the supply and demand curve and so long as demand is high there will be those who will find a way to provide supply.

I may be wrong, but until there is a cost benefit analysis I will default to the wall being ineffectual at curbing supply just like every other effort we have made in the last four decades.

 

A wall is not the solution, but it is part of the solution.

When it comes to drug trafficking, human trafficking, etc, physical barriers prevent or at least slow down movement through an area. They also provide a platform to mount sensors and technology that can be used to prevent and detect movement through the area. It gives responders more time to respond to and detect attempts at illegal entry for whatever reason.

Regardless, when you have a problem, you have to start addressing that problem somewhere.

Having the desire to do so, then taking steps to fix the problem must be multi-pronged. The wall is just one part of that.

Europe, for example, is throwing up thousands of miles of barriers as we speak to prevent floods of migrants and illegal immigration. If it didn't work at least semi effectively, they wouldn't be doing it.

Israel has had a large reduction in terror attacks after they put up their walls. Did it stop the attacks? No. You know what perfect is the enemy of.

It's much more preferable than just saying "nothing we can do", which is how we got where we are.

 

To keep it low.

 

It is illogical by my measure of logic to spend billions in taxpayer money to spite the opposition especially when there is no proof that the cost of the wall will be offset by savings incurred by having the wall in place.

 

If conservatives are into fiscal responsibility then why build a wall without a cost benefit analysis or an ROI?

 

My objection is that we need to have empathy for those less fortunate than us. Many of the immigrants that Trump is tossing have
been here for 30 years, have families, and have assimilated into our society. I agree that the bad should be tossed, but he is tossing good and bad, separating children who know only America as their country, from their parents. This should have been done 20-30 years
ago, not now. Remember that we are a nation of immigrants, and this deportation process is a horror show in my view. The argument
that we are a nation of laws is very self serving, since I am certain that those who spout this excuse have themselves broken the
law when driving under the influence, smoking some weed, driving with a revoked or expired license, etc.

 

This is not a right or left situation, last time I checked. Just plain common sense.

 

False equivalency as a home or gated community is not the same as a country.

Anecdotal.

 

Time will tell if you are right, and for the sake of the American taxpayers I hope that you are right.

 

More people come south than north, immigrants have lower crime rates than natives, border towns have lower crime than the rest of the USA.
It's just a one liner to jack up his uneducated rube supporters.
Muslim Immigrants have better education and make more and pay more taxes than the OMG garbage people who say immigrants are taking benefits.
Anyone seen a brown person at a trump rally yet?

 

If the wall does not save us money then what justification is there to build the wall?

 

Anecdotal as believing that the wall will or will not have a positive effect is not proof that it will or will not have the desired effect. I hope for the sake of American tax payers that you are right. I prefer a cost benefit analysis over let's build it and hope for the best.

While we do not agree, I do appreciate you tasking the time to answer my questions.

 

Keep illegal immigration low? If so what evidence is there that will be the case?

 

What are you asking, the illegal immigration is actually low ? Which really is not proved in the OP. Could be just a feel good/bad idea. Or if building a border wall will reduce, or keep low illegal immigration ?

 

Perhaps the reason Trump had multiple bankruptcies was because he didn't do or get cost benefit analyses, and needed a reality show to host to pay bills.

This never was about common sense or logic and all about feeding the droolers who think they lost their job because illegals stole it, when the reality is that their job went to China where Ivanka makes the crap she sells.

 

You tell me as it was you who said "To keep it low."
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ons-on-the-wall.510397/page-5#post-1067780835

 

Uh, the southern states committed treason, and attacked the union army first. The north did not "commence a war".

 

Well, if it is low, and/or could keep it low, that is the idea of building the wall. Is this hard to grasp ?

 

Yes the north started a war with the Confederate states that Constitutionally and legally formed a new representative government for themselves. However, there were outside interests behind this, namely the British Empire, that conspired to start this war for the the Empires own gain. So, Confederate sympathizers....wake up and smell the coffee.