Illegal immigration at lowest point in 17 years, so why spend billions on the wall?

What is "it"? Cost? Illegal entry? Both? Something else? Please clarify what "it" is.

 

Red herring.

 

That depends on what you mean by "is".

 

There was no treason. And no, the union army was not attacked. But a fort that was ultra strong was hit by cannon balls. The fort was issued fair warning.

 

Secession is treason.

That is an attack.

 

I see both the Union version and the Confederate version.

First when one speaks of Treason, they forget the nation was formed that way. And they speaking with glowing terms of one General Washington, himself the leading figure for owning slaves. But he is not vilified. Jefferson is not villified and he too owned many slaves. Both estates provided well for the slaves though.

Why could not the public living in the South states not vote to remain or leave? Did the Acts of Washington bind them to slavery conditions to the North?

What difference does it make if you are a white slave or a black slave?

The South had war waged against them to keep them in slavery to the union. I am quite certain that is why the South rather looked forward to fighting the North and why the masses of young white people were willing to fight for their own freedom. Slavery was endorsed by 12 presidents. For a condition to be viewed as so awful, why did 12 presidents own slaves?

I never read any of those 12 getting vilified.

 

No, I don't believe if you and your citizens of your state, upon notice and voting choose to leave, that you committed treason.
I never knew so many union sympathizers felt like that about a fort in the South. Anderson had to leave and he never would have listened to cannons fire.

 

Which has no relevance to the fact it is treason.

Firing upon a US fort is an attack on that fort.

 

I get a charge when Trump gets accused of bankruptcy.

Correct me please if I get this wrong.

What I have been led to believe is he purchased companies who were on the verge of bankruptcy on the cheap. And of course this is blamed on previous management. Trump bankrupted the companies and saved them. Recall this also was what Obama did to General motors and Chrysler. Democrats love to brag how those bankruptcies saved both car companies.

 

Dodge noted. Not sure why you refuse to clarify your previous claim, but as you will not clarify your argument I will move on.

 

Look, you won't be reasonable. I see a stone wall and don't wish to continue.

To the forum

Southern states voted. This makes a huge difference. Did the colonies vote for General Washington to wage war on England? Why don't Democrats yap and yap that Washington committed treason?

When South Carolina became independent again, they sought back the fort. And they used short range cannon to scare the bejesus out of the troops commanded by Major Anderson. I think Anderson would have loved to get out of there, but was forced to stay. But once the trick by Lincoln worked, and the City of Charleston fired on the fort, Anderson bailed out.

Abe the tricker wanted the fort fired on. It was why he wanted to wage war.

 

Ok?

Washington did commit treason. Difference is, he won the war. Doesn't change he fact it was an act of treason.

And this was an attack on the US government, which prompted the war.

War was inevitable once the southern states committed treason, but attacking the US is what started that war.

 

The wall if built right will prevent an increase in illegals after the administration changes hands to people who don't care about it again.

 

Speculation.

 

"A Republic if you can keep it." The electoral college prevents illegal aliens in sanctuary cities from throwing the election to Marxists. That's the way it is. That's the way it's been. Everyone knew the rules going in. Too late to throw a temper tantrum. Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

So, committing treason is no sin, since you side with the winner.
No, Government was not the Fort, the Fort was constructed to defend the city from the open sea.
Abe planned for the fort to be attacked.
There is no proof it was then treason.

So far, nothing but words from you, but no proof.

Here is why the youth of the South fought the war.

 

Huh?

A fort is government property. The government was attacked. Secession is treason. So is attacking the government.

Uh, recorded history is proof.

And committed treason.

 

What are you talking about? it is the electoral college that is based on resident populous rather than voter populous, meaning states with a high level of immigrants are given more electoral points in our general elections because of their immigrant populous. On the other hand, in an electoral system that is based on voter populous, only citizens are legally able to sway an election.

 

Our nation is larger. With the need of a larger barrior to discourage trespassers. Other then that....same concept applies.

 

Since when has the government been concerned with offsetting costs?

 

Every opinion about a future event is speculation so what?

 

In all, there are 538 electoral votes and the number given to each state reflects the sum of the representatives and senators it sends to Congress.
http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/namerica/usstates/electorl.htm

 

Amnesties which follow amnesties and so on are no different to unrestricted immigration. They encourage people to break the law.

Those families need to be broken up if welfare is not abolished.

 

Because it was still unacceptably high 17 years ago.

I don't support a physical wall, but I see the impetus.

 

Most of those families are not on welfare, and I agree with you otherwise.