Immigration System at Breaking Point

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  1. FlamingLib

    FlamingLib Well-Known Member

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    Of course you don't, you're 23. I look back in horror at my "Atlas Shrugged" phase.
     
  2. FlamingLib

    FlamingLib Well-Known Member

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    Has any Democrat denied there's a crisis, though? I've heard them deny there's a national emergency.
     
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    Democrats don't want the problem solved. They a re doing everything they can do to make it worse and then blame Trump:

    Just a small sample of legal actions taken by Democrats to stifle enforcement against illegal immigration in the US:

    February 18, 2019: Sixteen states file suit against Trump's emergency declaration
    February 26, 2019: House passes resolution to overturn Trump's national emergency declaration
    January 24, 2019: Senate rejects two proposals to end the partial government shutdown. The plan backed by Trump failed by a vote of 50-47. It needed 60 votes to pass.
    November 9, 2018: Groups sue Trump administration over asylum proclamation
    November 19, 2018: Judge blocks presidential proclamation on asylum
    November 8, 2018: Ninth Circuit Court rules Trump administration cannot end DACA
    https://ballotpedia.org/Timeline_of_federal_policy_on_immigration,_2017-2020
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    On to the next hoax, I see.

    How, exactly, is Trump responsible for the clown show that is Congress?

    Go talk to the Democrats, and their Republican enablers, about this mess.

    What was so wrong with this plan, that Schumer shut down the government in order to block? https://www.npr.org/2018/01/25/580858256/white-house-releases-draft-immigration-plan

    By the way, what happenned to the "manufactured crisis" fake narrative?

    Aren't you tired of having to keep coming up with bullshit narratives?
     
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  5. FlamingLib

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    You know it's not just Democrats who oppose the National Emergency Declaration, right?
     
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    Seems pretty clear the courts think his efforts are unconstitutional.
    Maybe he should man up and pass some legislation.
     
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    The right wing alleges to subscribe to Capitalism but only know how to lose money on public policies.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So there's a crisis but no emergency.

    Unbelievable ...
     
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    Not one that requires circumventing Congress. Careful, there are shades of grey here. Not every crisis deserves a declaration of a National Emergency.

    Not really. Ask the Republicans who voted to rescind Trump's declaration.
     
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    a refugee crisis and humanitarian emergency.

    there is no immigration clause or wall building clause in our federal Constitution.
     
  11. struth

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    We have a national emergency. The left has allowed this to happen by encouraging illegal immigrantion and under funding border security.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wrong. We have hundreds of thousands trying to get into the U.S. every month. Our Border Patrol is overwhelmed.

    It's a crisis, an emergency, a cluster, and a fiasco.
     
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    I guess that doesn't say much for the Party that's been in control of government for the last two years.
     
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    No party can do it alone. The Republicans want to do something. The Democrats don't. So the status quo goes on ...
     
  15. FlamingLib

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    Wait a minute. Remind me again who torpedoed the Gang of Eight bill, which passed the Senate? Wasn't it John Boehner?
     
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    Republicans require sealing the border. Then we can talk about paths to citizenship.

    It's idiotic to talk about citizenship as long as 200,000+ "migrants" are trying to get into the U.S. every month, with most of them succeeding.
     
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    how can we have an illegal immigration problem when we have no immigration clause in our federal Constitution?
     
  18. FlamingLib

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    You said the Democrats "don't want to do something". Well, they do. They did something with the Gang of Eight bill, and offered Trump $20+ billion for his wall in exchange for DACA. It's not our fault if your side is totally unreasonable.
     
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    Article 1 Secrtion 8 gives Congress the authority to deal with nationalization. Laws concerning it have been enacted since 1790.
     
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    Republicans reached a deal in 1986 with the Democrats. The Republicans offered amnesty for 3 million and the Democrats offered to seal the border. We granted the amnesty, then the Democrats walked away and did nothing on the border.

    We got snookered. That won't happen again.

    Seal the border, then we'll talk.
     
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    Naturalization is not nationalization. What else are you wrong about?
     
  22. FlamingLib

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    Is there anyone from 1986 even in Congress today? You ran on demonizing immigrants in 2018 and lost the House. You have to make a deal with us. Good luck in 2020 if you don't. Hillary won't be on the ballot.
     
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    Make all all Mexicans citizens of the USA! Problem solved! Oh, BTW vote Democrat!
     
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    You mean the illegal acquisition of birthright citizenship via illegal immigration or do you mean ending all birthright citizenship even for legal immigrants?
     
  25. struth

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    Wow, I wrote the wrong word. Naturalization is the process of becoming an American, moving here...being here. Congress began making such laws as early as 1790. We don’t comply with those laws you are illegal. Hence the problem, crisis, emergency at the border
     

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