In your opinion, how many Muslims want America destroyed?

Well this is what the Christian Science Monitor has to say on the topic and I pretty much agree with their numbers:


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/terrorism-security/2015/0113/How-many-Muslim-extremists-are-there-Just-the-facts-please

 

The figure is nearer to 99% by the following metric: how many Muslims will answer "yes" to this very telling question?
Mohammad said "I have been made victorious through terror", so do you condemn Mohammad for saying that?


[Edit: maybe I should have said it's close to 99.9999%, sorry.]

 

You failed to read the link or you did not like the answer, no surprise there.

 

What % of Muslims will say "yes" to the question I posed (in #26 above)? I think we both know it's near 100%, and not condemning a terrorist is certainly not "moderate", so I think my point of view is quite valid - that most Muslims are not "moderate".

 

Why don't you go ask them all and get back to us when you have some actual data, until then ya got nothing.

 

You KNOW the answer is a huge huge majority, probably near 100% (but even 2% would be dangerous for the world!), so that's why you won't answer it. What someone DOESN'T say is sometimes more telling than what someone DOES say.

 

Nope you do not KNOW the answer you ASSUME that you KNOW, rarely based on facts or reality. Actually I did answer the question in my first post here, it just went over your head, no surprise there.

 

I guess the honest answer must be quite a few. American representation in those countries isn't a fat guy in a swim suit but a fully armed guy frightening the crap out of civilians. The drone strikes don't help either.

 

I agree with you that we need to win this war IDEOLOGICALLY, and not just with bombs. Our gov't are intellectual cowards to not take on ISIS ideologically.....when their belief system has crazy things such as magic invisible people called "jinns" (that could be living in my nose allegedly!), how hard can it be? The OTHER Abrahamic faiths won't allow us to discredit crazy religious beliefs, however. Jesus could clear all this religious confusion up for us by snapping his all-powerful (alleged) fingers by making grand, magic, appearances, but he doesn't do that because he's either not real or doesn't care about us - either way he's not worth worshipping. I'm a former Christian.

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The 72 virgins for killing for Allah is one huge reason why we are in the longest war in US history, and it's only getting worse. Can you, right here, condemn Mohammad for saying that?

 

While I understand the various sect's calling themselves Muslim and that in most the male clerics differ in some respects, if the society in general opposed extremism, that society would and could get it stopped. Also I would suggest, with Obama's apparent support, extremism is on the grow and this current fleeing to brighter pastures, is simple going to exaggerate the situation.

 

"Male cleric" is like saying "cold ice", or "hot fire", because virtually all (if not all) Muslim clerics are males....partly because Qur'an 4:34 says that men are better than women, and are in charge of women, and it instructs them to BEAT/STRIKE women (yes, incredibly, all in the SAME verse.) Women will be the first group to leave Islam en masse.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/003-wife-beating.htm

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To be against extremism would be to be against MOHAMMAD, because he was an extremist, of course.
Just one example: Mo-mo approved of rape: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Rape_in_Islam

 

Do you have any source citation to back up the above claim?

 

Common sense, reason, and experience that Muslims NEVER, NEVER, EVER will condemn Mohammad for anything - no matter how horrific, they won't condemn him.
Sex with a 9-year old? Nope, won't condemn him, for example.
Raped captives? Nope, won't condemn him.
Beat women in Q4:34, nope, won't condemn him. He followed Q4:34 by hitting Aisha, nope, won't condemn him. "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain...." (Muslim: book 4, hadith 2127) So THAT'S why ISIS members hit their wives, their #1 role model did it.

I wish this was wrong, because I love Muslims.

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Go ahead, go to an Islamic forum and ask that question, and you'll see what I mean.

 

The best to destroy American culture and civilization is to let in millions of Arabic and African Muslims, Hispanics and any other group who normally does not adapt to the classic American Western and Christian culture.

In other words, the best to destroy America is to let these people continue to pour in.

 

I take a less bigoted approach, a more loving approach - let the Muslims come, millions if needed, and let's educate these people (because we love them) that Modern Secular Humanism is a better way than their ancient slave-approving belief system.

 

Common sense is a misnomer and in this case a deflection that tells me that all you have is opinion... just like me. Get back to me when you have hard evidence like a poll with a statistically significant sample of Islam showing that nearly 100% of Muslims want America destroyed.

A forum is not a statistically significant sample to base a sweeping negitive view of Islam. If I were to base my view of Christianity by what many post on this forum then my view of Christians would be very negitive indeed. But lucky for me in real life it is my very limited and statistically insignificant perspective that most Christians I run into are fine and it is the overwhelming minority that want to save me or otherwise impose their religion upon me.

 

I'm not directly saying 100% want to destroy America, as such, but you do have to admit that the following question would not be answered "yes" by most Muslims (which does make us really really pause and wonder just how many do support terrorism.)
Again: How many Muslims will answer "yes" to this very telling question?
Mohammad said "I have been made victorious through terror", so do you condemn Mohammad for saying that?

 

Of course they would not condemn Mohammad but this proves what... that your interpretation of the passage in the context of the entire Quran is the same as theirs? Do you not understand that how you interpret the Quran does not typify how others interpret the Quran?

 

Now that's funny. You made me laugh. These people are typically lazy and will turn any area they invade into a stinking ****hole. Perhaps the best possible outcome would be America looking like Bosnia or Turkey.

The majority of 3rd world immigrants come to take and deplete the handouts and resources then turn their surroundings into the same dumpy conditions they left.

When the time comes, will you convert, or die?

 

Ha, thanks, I needed the laugh!

 

Yes, the Modern Secular Approach might sound funny, I'll admit, but it's the most loving path to take, since we care about Muslims, and we believe that ultimately our belief system will be followed by the majority of people (give us 50 years.)

 

As a Modern Secular Humanist I love everybody (Jesus didn't, with his "hell", and of course "Allah" didn't either.)
I believe that they will eventually convert to MSH.
I believe in them, and I believe that the truth of MSH/science will eventually be too much for them to intellectually overcome. Former Muslim Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a great example. A great role model for us all. Far better than Mohammad or Jesus. I can only hope to be as great as she is.

 

You do realize that the fastest growing group, regarding religious beliefs, is the "nones", right? Doubling in the last 20 years in America!

 

Sounds great but there are few if any Humanists around, and they NEVER seem to honestly discuss the culture of our Sexual Mores and the effect it has on kids.

Do you have a place or link where I am wrong on this???

 

FS has already been schooled on that quote. Naturally, he didn't provide the full and complete passage: