In your opinion, how many Muslims want America destroyed?

I would say 20 to 30% of Muslims want it destroyed and would be willing to take part in its destruction
I will also claim 60% to 70% of Muslims are sympathetic to those jihadist and would do nothing to stop them

 

Except that the universe itself can be considered evidence for God, as God is a logical alternative to the creation of the universe.

 

Then you are just guessing and not even getting close to what the data shows is closer to the truth.

 

what data like this


Terrorism

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ls-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-palestinians-support-infanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam...imjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08...rowth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian Muslims Poll Nov 04/Guardian Muslims Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFil...ims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFil...ims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-palestinians-support-jihad-terror-attacks-on-israely

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/

Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015): 74% of Palestinians support Hamas terror attacks.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193395

Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-rise-in-middle-east/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....nline-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the "global Jihad (64% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....nline-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for further statistics on Islamic terror.

have you not gotten tired of being so wrong so often? aren't you getting tired of being shown how misinformed you are?

 

Do you have evidence that shows otherwise? I'd like to see it.

 

You are wise.
Yes, we are certainly seeing that today, as more Muslims from outside of that area JOIN ISIS as Muslims from outside that area show up to FIGHT ISIS. Also, no attempts to rewrite their Islamic texts, which would be very helpful.

 

Wrong about what, did you look at the link I provided in my first post? Do you jump to the conclusion that someone say that they believe suicide bombing can be justified in some cases to mean they themselves would actually do it or that it means they are talking outside of a war zone? Me thinks you see what you want to see and ignore data that disputes your own preconceived notion on what is true.

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Posted it in my original post here or you can do as I did and use Google.

 

In this religion forum I'll focus on the religious aspects here. MSH believes in religious freedom, but Moses didn't (as he had people slaughtered for having a different invisible friend.) Freedom is at the heart of MSH. Totalitarianism, like the Bible approved of, is not acceptable to someone like Dawkins, Harris, Hirsi Ali, etc.
Scientific data is used to help determine morality, as Sam Harris argues (video): http://www.ted.com/talks/sam_harris_science_can_show_what_s_right?language=en

 

Is your link so skeptical that you won't provide it? Please provide it.

Googling is so lame.

 

Atheists have never, ever successfully demonstrated the invalidity of God.
Not once.

Care to show us something? Seriously, demonstrate the invalidity of God.

We'll be waiting with baited breath.

 

I already, as I said go find it.

 

So you personally DON'T support a One World government that would control all people?

If not, then what governments in power today need to be abolished?

 

As you have referenced OT history to show that the 'Bible' supports totalitarianism, it should also be pointed out, that in the 'Bible' God granted to the people the privilege of being ruled by Kings who would appoint judges, but at the same time, God gave them a warning about how those Kings and judges would treat the people. So here you are saying that MSH believes in religious freedom. Well, that would imply that using that religious freedom will also allow the people of said religious practice to participate in the governing of the nations. To my understanding, MSH does not condone religion having the power to influence the governments and/or the laws enacted by that/those government/s. Seems to me IMHO that there is a conflict in what you are advocating.

 

Unlike the Qur'an and Bible, I support democracy.
I'd like to see totalitarian gov'ts be replaced by democracies, and theocracies are dangerous (because the underlying Christian/Islamic texts are dangerous).

 

Democracy is defined as: "
[h=2]de·moc·ra·cy[/h] (dĭ-mŏk′rə-s&#275n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies 1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
4. Majority rule.
5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community."

Can you name a country existing today that is a true democracy? I don't believe you can.

 

I admire how you are always so precise and technical...I bet you are or would make a good accountant, or engineer, etc.
"Democracy" is the short version....I suppose "representative republic" might be a better term, but that's up for debate? What term would you use to describe the USA's government setup/structure/design?

 

Sorry, but the track record for Secular Humanist governments that tried to abolish religion is quite tragic. Look what you MSH founders, the Jacobians did in France----terrible.

Then in the 20th Century you have the many atrocities of the Soviets, the Chi-Coms, the Viet-Cong and NVA and the Khemr Rouge.

Secular Humanism and Marxism can't be separated. I'd bet you are a "one party" advocate---almost certainly a democrat.

 

A corporation feigning to be a representative form of government. As you might know, corporations have stock holders who have a proxy system of voting and only the major stock holders are taken seriously in their voting process. Now if you want to challenge me as to whether or not the US government is or is not a corporation, then please start another thread, as that would be an off topic discussion worthy of its own thread in perhaps another section of the forum. But you did ask me, so I told you.

 

I define MSH as democratic, as Dawkins/Dennett/Harris et al advocate that. We both agree that communism is a failure. Old-school Secular Humanists, yes, likely committed atrocities, but MSH is humble enough to grow and change and improve, unlike followers of the Bible, who of course are too intellectually neutered to dare to improve their book - which says to kill gays, and that women are worth half a man, etc.. Shameful intellectual cowardice, I argue.

 

I oppose that, as what I refer to as "MSH" values freedom - freedom to vote, and freedom to worship whomever you choose.

 

Those horrific mass-murdering groups, like the Christian's #1 role model (god in the Bible) who slaughtered virtually all humans and even almost all animals in his alleged genocidal "flood", clearly don't care about people as much as MSH does. So no, those groups and the Christians' genocidal invisible friend get no respect from me.....we MSHists love too much to slaughter like that.

Call me crazy, but I think you deserve to have a role model that has not committed genocide, right? Or is that too much to ask?

 

Well, back before technology and industrialization, one's work abilities was related to one's strength. Science proves that women statistically have only 60% the upper body strength of men. In the military, physical fitness test have been adjusted by the exact percentages. Women also have non-deployment rates 4 times higher than men.

So the harsh life of today's military is more closely related to how harsh conditions were back 3,500 years ago. Male slaves were always worth more than female slaves of the same age.

I'd say Moses and the Bible were quite correct basing monetary value based on performance data.

Homosexuality is no more righteous than beastiality---they are both perverse acts---unless your MHS know-it-alls think that beastiality is an innate sexual identity. Well only time will tell with the MHS crowd.

 

I accept it as skeptical and incorrect since you won't put it up. If it was
as good link you'd proudly post it again.

 

You must be a believer in God if you believe the "Great Flood of Noah" transpired.

MSH's do not give one hoot in hell about unborn humans---I'd assume you parrot Obama's MSH beliefs (and they are beliefs) that humans do not become humans will full civil rights until after they are born alive (not including aborted "tissue") and the umbilical cord has been cut.

From your warped understanding of world history, when was the last time Christians fought each other over religious affairs? That would be over 400 years ago. And when was the last time Muslim fought over their religion? One second ago.

 

You don't understand God/Jesus.