Iran arrests demonstrators in 2nd day of anti-regime protests

You may repeat this as often as you wish. But the American congress has been supporting military adventurisms for decades, without actually voting on them. That’s a fact.

 

The regime wore out that excuse a long time ago.

I can remember the fatwa issued by Ruhollah Khomeini's hand-picked successor, Ayatollah Montazeri, shortly after the protests that broke out almost a decade ago, and you don't hear any of the excuses that the regime and its apologists make for its actions:

The entire fatwa is still relevant and worth reading today.

 

NO. Support them in voice and wish them well. THATS IT. No supply or physical support.

 

I'm sure you know that some of the most repressive regimes throughout history have been either atheistic or of religions other than Islam.
Islam isn't going anywhere. The best thing that the West can do is to deal with the Islamic world fairly & equitably rather than waging war on it.

 

100% true.

 

Indeed. Why does this seem so futile at this point. Why is it a seemingly impossible battle to get the majority of people to acknowledge the causation between Western interferences in the ME for (at least) 7 decades and the very real problem we are having around the world with people coming from that region?????? A real headscrather.

 

Congress had a hell of a lot to say about Libya from both sides of the aisle, some in support or some opposed. But in terms of them having the balls to go about their obligations and bring things like this to a vote, oh hell no, there’s plenty of examples of them bitching about or supporting one issue or another but not stepping up to the vote.

 

No vote?

So much for all the congressional support, too...

 

It is over a hundred years, beginning with the British betrayal in the first world war. Lawrence actually refused his medals from the King telling him of how we had betrayed the Arabs, beginning with the Sykes-Picot agreement and then the Balfour Declaration.

 

because it is easier to get them to blame the other. Because they have been taught to see self reflection as anti american or 'liberal' and because..... why think? I think some people who come on political forums just come on to banter rather than learn anything. One in particular regularly uses this excuse in order to avoid dealing with issues people present him with. He is quite honest he does not want to know, just go with his gut feelings.

 

Don't be ridiculous.

If we were waging war on the Islamic world M1A1s would be parked in the courtyard of the Great Mosque in Mecca right now.

Instead, we're seeing this:

 

I think that I pointed to three or four prominent republicans that supported it, I didn’t claim majority. (along with a much larger number of democrats)

 

Yes, there is a cold war going on in the ME. Half of it gives and takes support with the US as you show photos of.

 

I believe you claimed in Post #174 that "Obama had plenty of congressional support for the Libyan operation", which clearly wasn't the case.

That goes for his request to give Assad the Gaddafi treatment, which got shot down in Congress, too.

 

Well, that can be detrimental to our country.

 

I agree

 

I did and do claim that he had plenty of congressional support. Even from a few on the right. But again, his administration argued that he didn’t need congressional approval for the Libyan operation and congress and the American people are allowing this abuse of power to be concentrated to the EB. You may recall that obama sought congressional approval for the use of force in Syria after failing to achieve it at the UN. But congress went on recess and refused to vote on it. Even so, congressional members had plenty to say about it both in criticism and support. Mocking his red line and refuse to authorize a defense thereof. I blame nothing solely on a particular president. America is dying death by a thousand cuts and there’s plenty of blame to go around.

 

There are some very strange things going on in Iran now. Burning of a religious building by apparently about 50 people while local people look on 'stupefied' and more than once the taking down and burning of the Iranian flag - the second reminds me somewhat of the 'Iraqi' people pulling down the statue of Saddam. These are on twitter so best link I can give to the video

https://twitter.com/SayedMousavi7/status/947555812456611843

Beg your pardon that was apparently two days ago.

 

Indeed, I said at least 70.

 

Clearly, he did not have plenty of Congressional support, otherwise the votes on Libya and Syria would have gone his way.

Few as in insignificant.

Why won't you hold a president who thumbs his nose at Congress and abuses/exceeds his constitutional powers solely responsible for his own actions?



What is it that Harry Truman understood about the office and job of the President that you do not?

 

He didn’t have a majority. But he did have plenty. Republican support was insignificant only in numbers. And no, I’ll never hold a president solely responsible for military adventurism. You must be sorely uninformed of America’s Military Industrial Complex and the armies of lobbyists that own congress.

 

Then you better get a lot of body bags, because the fake regime is going to mass slaughter just as it did in syria, and as it did in 2009. This whole sequence IMO proves the lunatic idiocy of the iran deal, because these monstrous, murdering terrorists could not possibly be expected to adhere to any deal any more that NK did with the '94 agreed framework.

It took a massive invasion to free Germany and Japan, it will take the same to free iran. I just hope the US is smart about it and doesn't put a dictator in place, but a strong constitution that protects the secular nature of the new iranian republic.

 

Yes like we did in all those Latin American countries where democracies were toppled in favor of right wing dictatorships, or maybe like we’ve done in Libya or Ukraine. What nationality are you? I’m curious because you sure like to project American power.

 

Hilarious how the left keeps whining about actions the Brits took 100 years ago, and the US did 75 years ago, as a "legitimizing excuse" for iran's monstrous terrorism.

The russian army was in a dozen Eastern Eu countries doing FAR worse to those people - and left only about 30 years ago - yet do we see those countries conducting terrorism all over the region, using what happened to them as an excuse?

No, they are building their societies and moving forward; they are creating a future for themselves unlike the diseased, terrorist, fake iranian regime which is doing anything but.

 

What do you call unconditional support of Israel, the US War on Iraq, Occupation of Afghanistan, sanctions on Iran, US Aid to & support of the Syrian Rebels, ISIS & MEK (1)?

It may be a version of the "Cold War" but its' still a war.



(1) "OUR MEN IN IRAN"
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/our-men-in-iran

EXCERPT "The sources I spoke to were unable to say whether the people trained in Nevada were now involved in operations in Iran or elsewhere. But they pointed to the general benefit of American support. “The M.E.K. was a total joke,” the senior Pentagon consultant said, “and now it’s a real network inside Iran. How did the M.E.K. get so much more efficient?” he asked rhetorically. “Part of it is the training in Nevada. Part of it is logistical support in Kurdistan, and part of it is inside Iran. M.E.K. now has a capacity for efficient operations that it never had before.” CONTINUED