Iran general: No doubt Israel and America will be attacked

I'm not conflating anything. It's a fact that Communists were seeking to subvert govts throughout the world, with their heyday in the '50's. Now all this time later, in order to blast US foreign policy, people are acting as if this threat never existed. Tell that to the 50M people Stalin and Mao killed in their totalitarian rule. Tell that to the SCOTUS, who were ruling on several cases involving Communism at the time, commenting on their subversive activities in the cases, and convicting people of seditious libel, etc. Communists couldn't have hoped to overthrow the US, but they still tried! I'm supposed to believe their tactics were less effective in other parts of the world, including Iran? The US should have done nothing in response to the rise of Communism?

 

Not much has changed, Margot. Obama, for example, is being accused of leading America down the slippery slope to Communism! How much more idiotic can these people get?

 

True... If you don't have an enemy... create one.

 

Again, 50M dead through Communist takeovers just through Mao and Stalin alone. The US was justified in responding. If you want to criticize those responses, come up with your own policies they should have enacted. Just sitting and watching events unfold is NOT a response.

 

The death and totalitarianism that was the result of Communist revolutions was real. It's not a created enemy. Their subversive attempts to overthrow govts was also real, and successful in many parts of the world. Communism wasn't a created enemy. Get off the McCarthy hearings crap; that idiot's antics don't change these facts about Communism, and how the US had to respond to it.

 

The US should have pressed the UK to deal fairly with the Iranians and pay them a larger revenue share on their oil.

Iran was a budding democracy and not enamored of Communism.

Everyone in the oil business in the ME knew it was a major screw up not to do so.

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Its a miracle that our decisions didn't drive the Arabs into the arms of the Soviets.

 

I see, so you're fine with America deciding what it feels is right for the citizens of other countries? Look at the current state of Iraq as another example of an epic American-created mess masquerading as a functioning democracy! Their country, their elected government. Leave them the hell alone or suffer the consequences. 9/11 ringing any bells, or did that horrific event occur out of a vacuum. Oh I forgot, they hate you for your 'freedoms', or some other meaningless rhetoric.

 

Any budding democracy was under threat turning Communist at the time. Communists proved formidable at fomenting revolutions; this cannot be ignored. Without the opposing counterbalance in the US, they would have taken down many more govts throughout the world. If the US and Britain weren't there in Iran in the 1950's, countering the Soviets, there is a real threat they COULD have went Communist. Truman had to force the Soviet troops out of there in 1946 I think. If we just left, I'm supposed to believe the Soviets wouldn't have controlled Iran? Lmao.

 

9/11 happened because religious nuts were convinced that Israel and the US that supports it are the devil of the world, and must be stopped at all costs. Kinda like what happens in this forum a lot.

 

The Persians and Arabs hate communism... always have.

The events that nearly drove the Arabs into the arms of the Soviets were the Lavon Affair, the Suez Crisis, cheating them on oil revenues and the ongoing abuse of the Palestinians.

 

I doubt the degree of "democracy" occurring in Iran in 1950, just as I doubt it today. The reason I know this is because neither I, nor anyone else can say what I am saying here in Iran without being jailed.

 

I think the nuclear age has made us re-think our expectations about how far people will go for their beliefs. The stakes are a lot bigger now. So far it has been 68 years since a nuclear bomb was dropped. That said, the only group of people that scare me today are Islamic fundamentalists and there is a good reason for that. Your last sentence is very telling.

 

The you haven't read much about the Mossadeeg and his vision and support.

 

So democracy can exist without free speech and press? Or does Iran have free speech and press?

 

They did under the Mossadeegh.

We went to Iran will millions in cash, bribed protestors, tried to kill the Mossdeegh 3 times and created the SAVAK which was modeled after the Gestapo.

The Shah settled for being under the thumb of the Brits and for 16 cents on the dollar.

 

This is just stupid; previously you suggested that meddling with Iran was ok because they might have become a Communist nation, despite no evidence to support this spurious guess. And now you suspect the "degree" of democracy? Allow me to point you in the direction of Jeb Bush and Florida, and voter ID for a fine example of the sort of 'democracy' you're criticising.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2011/10/06/the-real-voter-fraud-scandal

Iran today is a theocracy. In 1953 it was a democracy. Can you spot the difference?

 

I can spot the difference in freedom from nation to nation. Are you saying I can say the things in this thread in Iran without being jailed?

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Evidence is historical fact that the Soviets had military forces IN IRAN, AFTER WWII, that Truman had to diplomatically force out. So let's abandon the Truman strat, and any sort of intervention in Iranian affairs. Soviets don't take over? Explain your logic plz.