Iran mocks WWII Holocaust, prepares another

I really don't care what a holocaust denying Khazar conspiracy theorist anti-Semite has to say about anything. Facts: Palestinians are a fictional people, there's no such thing, and Israel is a liberal Democracy with full and equal rights for its entire citizenry including their nearly 20% Arab population unlike within the Islamic Nazi regimes which surround them, deal with it.

That's just darling, a Khazar conspiracy theorist and a holocaust denier. Touche. Sorry sport, but numerous genetic studies have proven conclusively that the overwhelming majority of Jews (80% of Males and 50% of Females) can trace their lineage directly back to the paleolithic Levant:



Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes

M. F. Hammer*†‡,
A. J. Redd*†,
E. T. Wood*†,
M. R. Bonner*,
H. Jarjanazi*,
T. Karafet*,
S. Santachiara-Benerecetti¶,
A. Oppenheim‖,
M. A. Jobling**,
T. Jenkins‡‡,
H. Ostrer††, and
B. Bonné-Tamir§

Author Affiliations

*Laboratory of Molecular Systematics and Evolution, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721; ¶Department of Genetics, Università degli Studi di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy; ‖Hadassah Medical School, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem 91120, Israel; **Department of Genetics, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, England; ‡‡SAMIR, University of Witwatersrand, Johannesburg 2000, South Africa; ††Department of Pediatrics, New York University Medical Center, New York, NY 10016; and §Department of Human Genetics, Sackler School of Medicine, Ramat Aviv 69978, Israel

Communicated by Arno G. Motulsky, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (received for review November 17, 1999)

I guess the Laboratory of Molecular Systematics and Evolution, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721; ¶Department of Genetics, Università degli Studi di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy; **Department of Genetics, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, England; ‡‡SAMIR, University of Witwatersrand, Johannesburg 2000, South Africa; ††Department of Pediatrics, New York University Medical Center, New York, NY 10016; and the peer review process of the University of Washington are all in on the Jewish conspiracy.

There were only two Israeli medical laboratories involved in the study the ‖Hadassah Medical School, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem 91120, Israel; and the §Department of Human Genetics, Sackler School of Medicine, Ramat Aviv 69978, Israel, so I guess that invalidates the entire study in the world of the rabid anti-Semite.

1. Atzmon G, Hao L, Pe'er I, Velez C, Pearlman A, Palamara PF, Morrow B, Friedman E, Oddoux C, Burns E, Ostrer H. "Abraham's children in the genome era: major Jewish diaspora populations comprise distinct genetic clusters with shared Middle Eastern ancestry." American Journal of Human Genetics 2010;86(6):850-859, doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015.
1) Department of Pediatrics, Human Genetics Program, NYU Langone Medical Center, New York, NY; 2) Department of Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; 3) Department of Computer Science, Columbia University, New York, NY; 4) Department of Genetics, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; 5) Chaim Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel; 6) Center for Genome Informatics, New Jersey Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, Newark, NJ.

I suppose the Department of Pediatrics, Human Genetics Program NYU Langone Medical Center, New York, NY; the Department of Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; the Department of Computer Science, Columbia University, New York, NY; the Department of Genetics, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; and the Center for Genome Informatics, New Jersey Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, Newark, NJ are all Zionist mouthpieces as is the peer reviewed American Journal of Human Genetics.

In this case the only Israeli University involved in the study was Chaim Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel; so I guess that once again the entire study is invalidated in the world of the rabid anti-Semite.

2. Behar DM, Metspalu M, Metspalu E, Rosset S, Parik J, Rootsi S, Chaubey G, Kutuev I, Yudkovsky G, Khusnutdinova EK, Balanovsky O, Semino O, Pereira L, Comas D, Gurwitz D, Bonne-Tamir B, Parfitt T, Hammer MF, Skorecki K, Villems R. "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people." Nature 2010;466:238-242, doi:10.1038/nature09103. The Estonian Biocentre and Department of Evolutionary Biology, University of Tartu, Tartu 51010, Estonia, the Institute of Biochemistry and Genetics, Ufa Research Center, Russian Academy of Sciences, Ufa 450054, Russia, the Research Centre for Medical Genetics, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Moscow 115478, Russia, the Dipartimento di Genetica e Microbiologia, Università di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy, the Instituto de Patologia e Imunologia Molecular da Universidade do Porto (IPATIMUP), Porto 4200-465, Portugal, the Faculdade de Medicina, Universidade do Porto, Porto 4200-319, Portugal, the Institute of Evolutionary Biology (CSIC-UPF), CEXS-UPF-PRBB and CIBER de Epidemiología y Salud Pública, Barcelona 08003, Spain, the Department of the Languages and Cultures of the Near and Middle East, Faculty of Languages and Cultures, School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), University of London, London WC1H 0XG, UK, the ARL Division of Biotechnology, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona 85721, USA, the Molecular Medicine Laboratory, Rambam Health Care Campus, Haifa 31096, Israel, Department of Human Molecular Genetics and Biochemistry, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Department of Statistics and Operations Research, School of Mathematical Sciences, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Rappaport Faculty of Medicine and Research Institute, Technion – Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa 31096, Israel

I guess the Estonian Biocentre and Department of Evolutionary Biology, University of Tartu, Tartu 51010, Estonia, the Institute of Biochemistry and Genetics, Ufa Research Center, Russian Academy of Sciences, Ufa 450054, Russia, the Research Centre for Medical Genetics, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Moscow 115478, Russia, the Dipartimento di Genetica e Microbiologia, Università di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy, the Instituto de Patologia e Imunologia Molecular da Universidade do Porto (IPATIMUP), Porto 4200-465, Portugal, the Faculdade de Medicina, Universidade do Porto, Porto 4200-319, Portugal, the Institute of Evolutionary Biology (CSIC-UPF), CEXS-UPF-PRBB and CIBER de Epidemiología y Salud Pública, Barcelona 08003, Spain, the Department of the Languages and Cultures of the Near and Middle East, Faculty of Languages and Cultures, School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), University of London, London WC1H 0XG, UK, and the ARL Division of Biotechnology, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona 85721, USA, are all Zionist mouthpieces as is the peer reviewed Nature Magazine.

Uh oh in this case we have 4 Israeli out of total of 13 Universities involved in the study, they are the Molecular Medicine Laboratory, Rambam Health Care Campus, Haifa 31096, Israel, Department of Human Molecular Genetics and Biochemistry, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Department of Statistics and Operations Research, School of Mathematical Sciences, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Rappaport Faculty of Medicine and Research Institute, Technion – Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa 31096, Israel

Now let us look at some of the studies themselves:



1. Atzmon G, Hao L, Pe'er I, Velez C, Pearlman A, Palamara PF, Morrow B, Friedman E, Oddoux C, Burns E, Ostrer H. "Abraham's children in the genome era: major Jewish diaspora populations comprise distinct genetic clusters with shared Middle Eastern ancestry." American Journal of Human Genetics 2010;86(6):850-859, doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015.

2. Behar DM, Metspalu M, Metspalu E, Rosset S, Parik J, Rootsi S, Chaubey G, Kutuev I, Yudkovsky G, Khusnutdinova EK, Balanovsky O, Semino O, Pereira L, Comas D, Gurwitz D, Bonne-Tamir B, Parfitt T, Hammer MF, Skorecki K, Villems R. "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people." Nature 2010;466:238-242, doi:10.1038/nature09103.

The competing Rhineland and Khazarian theories were most recently discussed by Ostrer in two studies published in 2012 and in his well received book, Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People. He found that geographically and culturally distant Jews still have more genes in common than they do with non-Jews around them, and that those genes can be traced back to the Levant, an area including modern-day Israel. “All European [Ashkenazi] Jews seem connected on the order of fourth or fifth cousins, Ostrer has said.

The concept of the “Jewish people” remains controversial. The Law of Return, the Israeli law that established the right of Jews around the world to settle in Israel and which remains in force today, was a central tenet of Zionism. The DNA that links Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Mizrahi, three prominent culturally and geographically distinct Jewish groups, could conceivably be used to support Zionist territorial claims —except, as Ostrer has pointed out, some of the same markers can be found in Palestinians, distant genetic cousins of the Jews, as well. Palestinians, understandably, want their own ‘right of return’.

That disagreement over the interpretations of Middle Eastern DNA also pits Jewish traditionalists against a particular strain of secular Jewish ultra-liberals who have joined with anti-Israeli Arabs and many non-Jews to argue for an end to Israel as a Jewish nation. Their hero is the Austrian-born Shlomo Sand—and now Elhaik. His study gained buzz in neo-Nazi websites and radical anti-Israeli and more radical pro-Palestinian blogs. For example, the notorious former Ku Klux Klansman David Duke actually attacked Elhaik in his latest anti-Jewish rant—Duke’s anti-Semitic beliefs hang on the fact that Jews are genetically cohesive and conspiratorial. “The disruptive and conflict-ridden behavior which has marked out Jewish Supremacist activities through the millennia strongly suggests that Jews have remained more or less genetically uniform and have … developed a group evolutionary survival strategy based on a common biological unity — something which strongly militates against the Khazar theory,” Duke wrote in his blog in February.

While Elhaik’s work has provided ideological support for those seeking the destruction of Israel, it’s fallen flat among established scientists, who peer reviewed his work and found it sloppy at best and political at worst.

“He’s just wrong,” said Marcus Feldman of Stanford University, a leading researcher in Jewish genetics. “If you take all of the careful genetic population analysis that has been done over the last 15 years… there’s no doubt about the common Middle Eastern origin,” he said. He added that Elhaik’s paper “is sort of a one-off.”

“It’s an unrealistic premise,” said University of Arizona geneticist Michael Hammer, one of the world’s top Y-chromosomal researchers.

Discover’s Razib Khan did a textured critique in his Gene Expression blog, noting the study’s historical fuzziness and its selective use of data to come up with what seems like a pre-cooked conclusion. As Razib writes, it’s hardly surprising that we would find a small but sizable Khazarian contribution to the “Jewish gene pool”. In fact the male line of my own family traces to the Caucuses, suggesting I’m one of the 20 percent or so of Jews whose lineage traces to converted royal Khazarians. But that view is widely acknowledged by Ostrer, Hammer, Feldman, Michael Thomas and every major researcher in this area—as summarized in my book, Abraham’s Children: Race, Identity and the DNA of the Chosen People.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonenti...l-calls-those-who-disagree-nazi-sympathizers/

Further down in the same article, Haaretz at least mentions that there is another side to what genetics tell us about the origins of European Jews. It refers to the work of Professor Harry Ostrer, who is the author of "The Genetic History of the Jews," a new book also published this year by Oxford University Press. Looking at his credentials, his work should have been at the top of the story. Ostrer served as the director of the Human Genetics Program at New York University School of Medicine, where he worked for more than two decades. Today he is head of genetic testing at Albert Einstein College of Medicine. Unlike Elhaik, he does not accept the argument that European Jewry comes from Central Asia but rather he says that Jews around the world can trace their genetic history to the Middle East 2,000 years ago.

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=3131

Ostrer, Harry. Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People, Oxford University Press, 2012 http://books.google.com.au/books?id=RayZR3V1SFwC&pg=PA26#v=onepage&q&f=false

Haplotypes constructed from Y-chromosome markers were used to trace the paternal origins of the Jewish Diaspora. A set of 18 biallelic polymorphisms was genotyped in 1,371 males from 29 populations, including 7 Jewish (Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian) and 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. The Jewish populations were characterized by a diverse set of 13 haplotypes that were also present in non-Jewish populations from Africa, Asia, and Europe. A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora. Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. Admixture estimates suggested low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians. Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.


Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes


...the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews. According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula, as is seen in the Arab-specific Eu 10 chromosomes that include the modal haplotypes observed inPalestinians and Bedouin... The study demonstrates that the Y chromosome pool of Jews is an integral part of the genetic landscape of the region and, in particular, that Jews exhibit a high degree of genetic affinity to populations living in the north of the Fertile Crescent.


The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East

Both the extent and location of the maternal ancestral deme from which the Ashkenazi Jewry arose remain obscure. Here, using complete sequences of the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), we show that close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews, estimated at 8,000,000 people, can be traced back to only 4 women carrying distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations, with the important exception of low frequencies among non-Ashkenazi Jews. We conclude that four founding mtDNAs, likely of Near Eastern ancestry, underwent major expansion(s) in Europe within the past millennium.


The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder
Event

DNA Evidence

Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have largely disproven the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi.

A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."[50] According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism."[51]

A 2001 study by Nebel et al. found Haplogroup R1a chromosomes (called Eu 19 in the paper), which are very frequent in Eastern European populations (54%-60%), at elevated frequency (12.7%) in Ashkenazi Jews. The authors hypothesized that these chromosomes could reflect low-level gene flow into Ashkenazi populations from surrounding Eastern European populations, or, alternatively, that both the Ashkenazi Jews in Haplogroup R1a, and to a greater extent all Eastern European populations in general, might have some partial Khazar ancestry.[52]

A 2003 study of the Y-chromosome by Behar et al. found that among Ashkenazi Levites, who comprise approximately 4% of Ashkenazi Jews, the prevalence of Haplogroup R1a1 was over 50%. This haplogroup is uncommon in other Jewish groups, but found in high frequencies in eastern European populations. They argued that "it is likely that the event leading to a high frequency of R1a1 NRYs within the Ashkenazi Levites involved very few, and possibly only one, founding father." They postulated that one likely source of the gene was a "a founder(s) of non-Jewish European ancestry, whose descendents were able to assume Levite status", and that an alternate "attractive source would be the Khazarian Kingdom, whose ruling class is thought to have converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century." They concluded that "Although neither the NRY haplogroup composition of the majority of Ashkenazi Jews nor the microsatellite haplotype composition of the R1a1 haplogroup within Ashkenazi Levites is consistent with a major Khazar or other European origin, as has been speculated by some authors (Baron 1957; Dunlop 1967; Ben-Sasson 1976; Keys 1999), one cannot rule out the important contribution of a single or a few founders among contemporary Ashkenazi Levites."[53]

A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their local neighbouring populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to Haplogroup R1a1 (R-M17), the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow between the two groups. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars". They concluded "However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.[54]

A 2010 study on Jewish ancestry by Atzmon et al. says "Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry."[55]


Genetic studies on Ashkenazi Jewery

Woops.

There is no genetic, linquistic, or cultural distinction between so called "Palestinians" and the rest of the Arabs who did not make it into the Levant until the Islamic Imperialist conquests less than fifteen hundred years ago:


The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people
Doron M. Behar1,2*, Bayazit Yunusbayev2,3*, Mait Metspalu2*, Ene Metspalu2, Saharon Rosset4, Ju¨ri Parik2,
Siiri Rootsi2, Gyaneshwer Chaubey2, Ildus Kutuev2,3, Guennady Yudkovsky1,5, Elza K. Khusnutdinova3,
Oleg Balanovsky6, Ornella Semino7, Luisa Pereira8,9, David Comas10, David Gurwitz11, Batsheva Bonne-Tamir11,
Tudor Parfitt12, Michael F. Hammer13, Karl Skorecki1,5 & Richard Villems2


Populations of the Caucasus, flanked by Cypriots, form an almost uninterrupted rim that separates the bulk of Europeans from Middle Eastern populations. Bedouins, Jordanians, Palestinians and Saudi Arabians are located in close proximity to each other, which is consistent with a common origin in the Arabian Peninsula25,


http://www.nature.com/nature/journa...e-global=remove&wptouch_preview_theme=enabled

And you're (*)(*)(*)(*)ing done.

Now not only are the Palestinians distinct from other Arabs despite all evidence to the contrary they are now their own distinct race. Interesting.

There's no such thing as a Palestinian, the Palestinian leadership says so.

I trust the so called Palestinian leadership when they freely admit that there is no such thing as a Palestinian, mostly because there isn't. What can I say, it's science.

No it comes from holocaust denying Neo-Nazi Khazar conspiracy theorists who try to make anti-Semitism a legitimate viewpoint. One needs look no further than this thread and your views to know that is a fact jack.

Yes I'm sure there are many decent holocaust denying Khazar conspiracy theorists in your view, but in the view of normal people they are called Nazi's.

I so do love the loaded question, the Jews do not abuse the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians they defend themselves from Arab aggressors.

 

[MENTION=70864]SamSkwamch[/MENTION] - would 128 cases of death from CO poisoning be satisfying?

https://www.google.co.il/url?sa=t&r...sg=AFQjCNHCsTwRrxgu2ipUQ6LfcAn5JumGeQ&cad=rja

The article posted by Ronstar has been published in 2008. The study above has been published in International Journal of Medical Toxicology and Forensic Medicine in 2014. Today there are scientific studies about cases of fatal poisoning due to vehicle exhaust.

 

No they won't because they don't specifically say from diesel exhaust rather than a regular gasoline engine, but I've already found the case of death by diesel exhaust specific CO poisoning but his reading comprehension as you've already pointed out is not his strong suit, which would go a long way as to explaining why he is a holocaust denying anti-Semitic, conspiracy theorist neo-Nazi.

 

NOT ONE OF THOSE 128 CASES WERE FROM A DIESEL EXHAUST. I LOVE HOW YOU PEOPLE CONTINUE TO - UNWITTINGLY - MAKE MY POINT

Look, folks, I know that this is difficult stuff, but let's be real. I posted 10s of thousands of cases of deaths our government reported of folks killing themselves with the exhaust from their vehicles and not one of them - EVER - was from a diesel.

For pages I have asked them to use google find cases that contradict the government and they can't. Ron tried to post 1/2 an abstract to support his BS and after reading I realized what he refused to post.

This is what he refused to post from his own link and you will see why.

Lastly, an extensive literature review produced no scientifically reported cases of fatal CO poisoning attributed to diesel fuel exhaust.

That again, was from what Ron posted. Stop the madness. You are doing more harm to the story you are trying to protect than I could have thought imaginable.

 

It was a retrospective case study prompted by the identification of a diesel exhaust caused Carbon Monoxide poisoning death:


When the toxicology results showed lethal blood COHbg, the cause of death was re-certified as CO intoxication secondary to inhalation of (diesel) vehicular exhaust fumes.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18643868

How are you still not getting this?

 

Actually, the study doesn't mention if the vehicles involved ran on gasoline or diesel.

 

Jonsa gave the full article first. Here is his link

http://www.nazigassings.com/Griffin.pdf

Now I cannot copy and paste from this so you will need to read it - which at your speed of reading will take only a couple of seconds. Yes, no scientific reported cases. That is their point. Here is a clear case of someone dying from CO poisoning from diesel fumes. They are educated enough to know something does not just happen to one person. The whole point of their study is to alert the medical professionals that they are missing these deaths.

above link

Of course it is also necessary to look at the amount which the people in this study were given. Ronstar gave a link concerning this in respect of children.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...y-tested-diesel-fumes-on-children-9998892.htm

You would need to show that the amount administered to people at Treblinka was the same or less than this and not a fatal amount for what you say to even begin to have credibility.



In the link below you refuse to look at the link Ronstar gives you with respect to an Eichmann interview - claiming you are not going to read 77 pages

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=456911&page=53&p=1066268080#post1066268080

For someone who claims he is capable of doing ten years research in one week 77 pages would clearly take you not more than a minute. The article of course was nowhere like as long as 77 pages and in it Eichmann makes very clear that he witnessed the burnt bodies of people who had previously been gassed at Auschwitz. He apparently only wanted this printed with his arrest or death. In it he makes himself out to be against such things and presents himself in a good light but again he speaks of being present himself looking at the bodies of those who had been killed by gassing. There is no way he would have said this unless he believed it to be true. So it is noted that even in an easy to read piece like this you refuse to read despite claiming to have read thousands and thousands of pages on the holocaust in a week and integrating it all.

Basically for all your ranting and raving these two points invalidate what you have been repeating ad nausea.

The reason why the holocaust has been made illegal in some European States is because it is believed that it has been sufficiently researched as to be as obvious as the difference between night and day and hence to deny it suggests instead some ulterior method. Is it as clear as night is different from day? I do not know as I have not studied it sufficiently and I also know you do not know either as you refuse again and again even to look at material of those who have. Take the recent research which you just accused a professional with more qualifications than most to be lying. Intellectuals need to be able to justify their work and further when they do their work they could find the exact opposite which they would then need to report - that is they could report that their findings disprove that what has been claimed happened. This has not happened by a professional in the area. Debates do go on in intellectual circles - for instance there is a debate among intellectuals who do not deny the holocaust as to whether it was 'Intentionalist vs. Functionalist' - bet you do not even know what that means.

 

It was what we call "spitting in the soup to make more". If there was a valid element at the base of it, I would have let it slide, but I am known to call things by their name.

Sure.

Like the 3rd Reich, zionist Israel was built around ancient legends of ubermenschen people plagued by untermenschen ones. It is a militaristic nation, with mandatory military service (and an un-registered nuclear power), looking to expend itself under the desire for lebensraum. To this end, they de-stabilize their neighbours using assassinations, false flags and terrorism, in the hope of dragging them into war then seize their territory, while putting their former, goyim inhabitants into high-intensity gettoes, and accusating them of every woe that ever existed, foremost among them being the fact that these unclean goyim were living on the land god gave the Khazars.

Israel hold international laws and tribunals in the highest disdain, maybe because the chosen people cannot be bothered to respect goyim laws. It openly mocks and sometimes like a rabid, treacherous dog they even attack their main benefactor, whose political environment these parasites corrupted with the money they snatched from them.

Israel is an abomination of aggressiveness and injustice, a cancer, an anomaly in these days and times, an exclusive and self-centered country based on racial supremacy. It is an artificial rogue nation that makes peace in the ME impossible. Maybe I can support a jewish foyer in the levant, but as a regime, zionism must be pushed to the sea, destroyed, eliminated with extreme prejudice and made a pariah with the help of Palestinians al-nakba memorials for the rest of times just like the 3rd Reich was.

And it will happen, have no doubts about it.

Okay, so you are afraid that some people could manipulate the truth... But that's what you are doing since the end of WWII.

Yep - thinking that the numbers of holocaust victims is off is a thoughtcrime. thanks to people like you. You are responsible for this nazilike totalitarism, all for the sake of contemporary exceptionalism. You are bringing our liberties down for your fcking right to freely abuse other people.

That's much more despicable than simply murkying the waters.

As for your wishes, I don't know you from Adam.

 

If you intend to send people a wall of text you already had prepared for your hasbara service, at least make sure it doesn't start with such a ridiculous énoncé. It really doesn't whip up the desire to go throught your blind, deaf but certainly not muted propaganda piece, you see.

Once again it is insulting to me, if you didn't got it the first time I told you. Don't bother answering if it's to post the exact same snake oil codswallop. It's a no-sell here. You are just wasting bandwidth.

 

-----> http://www.nazigassings.com/Griffin.pdf <-----
Thank-you, Alexa, for confirming what I bet earlier!

Sadly, you did not read it, or stopped prior to the "giveaway" conclusion. I could pick the whole thing apart, but focus on the conclusion with me. And remember where I just said:

The conclusion makes numerous, gross assumptions that have no place in a scientific paper and clearly states:

...History demonstrates the lethality of diesel exhaust when used as a method of extermination....

And it furthermore states that:

...IHD was included as a significant anatomic factor contributing to his death...

That paper is a joke, a shill piece, and provides zero evidence to back up its title!

 

It is an academic paper. However we have already seen that you have disgust for academic papers and believe yourself to be so superior. Of course a person such as yourself who manages to do ten years of study in a week and either ignores or claims superior knowledge to all academics who say anything which does not fit his agenda is indeed an exceptional and incredible person - if anyone believes a word he says that is.

 

You see here folks the holocaust denying Khazar conspiracy theorists can't debate the facts and must resort to Jew baiting.

In the world of the overt Jew hater direct quotes from the Palestinian leadership and numerous peer reviewed genetic studies are snake oil.

 

Holy (*)(*)(*)(*), it was a It was a retrospective case study of the previous literature not a new study but the important point which you intentionally miss because you are a holocaust denying anti-Semite driven by ideology rather than facts is that it was prompted by the identification of a diesel exhaust caused Carbon Monoxide poisoning death:


When the toxicology results showed lethal blood COHbg, the cause of death was re-certified as CO intoxication secondary to inhalation of (diesel) vehicular exhaust fumes.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18643868

How are you still not getting this?

 

Maybe the reason why the type of fuel isn't mentioned in the study is that the type of fuel doesn't really matter. This is how I see it.

No proof whatsoever, only your subjective opinion. Case dismissed.

"You" who?

I don't understand who are you talking about.

What liberties were brought down in Canada?

No, but you still pretend to know what I wish for, and what "people like me" want. Why?

 

You had no idea diesel was even an issue, be real.

From post #652:

I would think at this point you would rather just move along as opposed to shining light on this. Please, go at least learn the story you are trying to support before posting any more on this thread. You will save yourself from further embarrassment.

 

Exchanging opinions is, precisely, the point of a discussion board. Do you need someone to prove you that the sky is blue? My observations about Israel can easily be proved by its history - in fact, its whole history is exclusively about what I described.

You zionists. The people that Nornam Finkelstein describes in his "Holocaust Industry" book.

In Canada like everywhere else in the British sphere, it is forbiden by law to question the Holocaust Industry. Hey - I was on an anglo-Canadian newspaper forum the other day; you couldn't even type "Nazi" or "Hitler" without being censored by the bots. That's precisely where the liberty of expression is today in Canada.

In France, in the aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo attacks, people gathered in the streets to defend Charlie's right to make jokes about Muslims. Meanwhile, at the same time, the authories condemned stand up comic Dieudonné for making jokes about the Jews. These guys (meaning "jews", this time) are sacred cows in the Occident. Just look at how Israel treats its US benefactors. They are the spoiled children of politics, and in their name liberties are shut down ("with thunderous applause", to cite Lucas). Then they act all outraged that so many people hate them.

No need to have divine powers; Simple, basic observation of your posts easily reveal their apologistic nature for Israel. Let us be real clear here; I am not communicating with a person, complete with own values and empathy, but with a soldier here. You are just a mouthpiece of the zionist policies that you'll defend over and beyond your own feelings. Oh so you are outraged? Fine; tell me one thing Israel does wrong (apart for the "reluctance" to eliminate Palestinians presence in the OT faster, that is).

Let us see how much of an individual you are, or if you are simply doing hive work. You are invited.

 

MVictorP it is not against the law to deny the holocaust in the UK. You have your own government to blame for that and similar laws not us. It is though in France. Perhaps that is where you are getting it from but I seem to remember Canada inventing all kinds of laws where you cannot speak your mind on Israel, special to Canada.

 

There is no use denouncing it unless one plans a cereer as a political martyr. It seems that no party in the Commons ever objected, all projecting the same PC surface. But then again people these days are just begging to have their rights removed if it can guarantee a feeling of illusory safety.

In Canada it passes under "hate crime" and "incitation to hate" laws, which are almost exclusively about jewish whinnings. Because, as we know, advancing that "the number" is closer to 4 than 6 millions is an incitation to hate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Zündel

 

Flame.

What makes you think that you have the right to tell me what to do?

I didn't even mention yet boating and tiny particles, but you already know better. Pfftt.

Still no proof.

Appeal to authority much?

Do you srsly believe that all the Zionists, of all times, in all generations, think and act exactly the same? We're talking about millions...

And this law was made by...?

Jokes about Muslims? This is what you think Charlie Hebdo's cartoonists were doing?

Charlie Hebdo's cartoons are a poignant critique of certain aspects of society and human behavior. They publish cartoons mocking aspects of Christian and Jewish religious extremism as well. And yes, I support with all my heart, with all my being, their right to mock aspects of Jewish society and Jewish faith.

Dieudonne, on the other hand, has crossed the thin, but still visible, line between critique and hate speech. If you have difficulty understanding the difference, it's your problem, not mine, not Zionists', not Jews'.

What liberties have been shut down in the US in Jews' name?

Hive? Dehumanizing the enemy?

You will first apologize for insulting me.

 

"THE VERACITY OF AN ASSERTION IS INVERSELY PROPORTIONATE TO THE STRIDENCY OF ITS ADVOCATE"

While it's amusing to watch you attempt to further perpetrate already debunked tomes of Holocaustian lore using the usual arts of futile intimidation, deception & obfuscation so essential to Holo-hucksters, it gets tiresome in its fanaticism.

Among your more tiresome scams is to play the judge & jury regarding the truthfulness of a Source.

By your doing so, I am reminded of working with severely impaired Psychiatric patients as a Case Worker for a large, inner city Emergency Psychiatric Hospital.

This one Psychiatric patient in particular was successful in winning every game of cards she played.................in her own mind.
She did so by claiming all her cards were "Wild Cards" & therefore "winning" repeatedly....................in her own mind.


In some sort of delusional state of omniscience, you make laughable pronouncements like:

............in your own mind (& fellow adherents to Orthodox Holocaustianity)

Meanwhile, your claims are simply made up or come from sources that are all products of profit driven, multi-billion dollar, self serving Holocaust® Industry disinformation outlets.

Let me try to make this simple:


In attempting to refute the common sense fact that most of the Work / Internment Camp deaths are from typhus, you stated, earlier:

However, even the Zionist edited Wikipedia [1] debunks your claim:


&#8220;Bergen-Belsen concentration camp&#8221;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen-Belsen_concentration_camp

EXCERPT &#8220;From 1941 to 1945, almost 20,000 Soviet prisoners of war and a further 50,000 inmates died there,[3] with up to 35,000 of them dying of typhus in the first few months of 1945, shortly before and after the liberation.[4]
......There were no gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen,&#8221;CONTINUED



As I said in my original post that: &#8220;I stopped at the first lie.........&#8221; and have seen nothing in the additional tomes of your blatantly bias and profit driven "Sources" or unsourced, hate-filled, insulting & delusional tantrums that is evenly remotely credible.

Unlike Israel&#8217;s network of State Supported Hasbara Trolls & Holocaust Industry Hirelings, I am neither paid not obsessed with the fragile Holocaustian Cult & its fatuous, bigoted assertions that are so fragile that they demand incarceration of dissenting views.


The louder & more insulting your screaming, the less people hear you.




[1] &#8220;Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups&#8221;
Two Israeli groups set up training courses in Wikipedia editing with aims to 'show the other side' over borders and culture&#8221;
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups

 

Proof of what?

That Israel is based on ancient legends? That they have a Uberman vs Unterman rethoric? That they are a militarized nation? That they steal lands daily? That they conduct assassinations and false-flags aggressions?

Since when did you came back from planet Zion? If you have experienced these discussions, you were certainly showed all that I talked about in there. You know what proof I will likely present to you because you already seen it a dozen of times. What do you have to gain by start-jumping the whole process to case one? Time? Space to flee? What guarantees me that as soon as you are shown proof you won't simply drop the subject and forget all about it as soon as the very next poster is encountered, like you likely did all this time?

I think I know why.

Absolutely.

I believe that on certain points, consensus is quickly reached.

Jewish lobby pressure.

Stand up comics should have the right to say anything as long as the result is a good laugh. Since the court's fools, this is their task. Your opinion shows your double standards and what they are based on.

How about the democratic process? AIPAC heavily finances both parties, and as a result, the candidates are expected to make a pledge speech to AIPAC, which usually includes a lot of US' taxpayer money. Tell me, is there a lobby like that in Israel, but made up of Americans instead, which will buy all of the candidates then force them to do a servitude speech to another nation once elected?

Not likely.

You see, that was a question: Your answer is, de facto as well as de jure, that you are not your own individual, and that instead you are just a mouthpiece - since you want me to apologize for this end choice.

Well, that's your choice, princess. I am not apoligizing for the choice you made - you should, however. This is a discussion board between individuals, not a place you can spam in the name of somebody else's selling sht.

It was certainly not meant as a compliment. But if you take the hasbara money, you also take the consequences that it implies with the very same hand. Face up.

Now that being said, and unless you show some ideals of your own, I am now going to ignore you - that my policy toward spammers.



PS: Oh, and the outrage about "deshumanizing the ennemy" - classic comedy gold.

 

Not a flame, I posted what you had written and you didn't know we talking about diesel. Go read your own post.

 

Thank you, Grau!

 

This point you have made concerning diesel exhaust as a murder machine is cogent and points to one of the big Achilles Heels of the Orthodox 6 Million Gas Chambers Holocaust Story. Technical issues. This is why I say that this myth/hoax cannot stand in the technical age of CSI (ultra high tech investigation). And the Internet. The tipping point is coming soon. I think this will be good for All peoples including the Jews.

I disagree wholly that "Jewish hate" is what is totally behind WWII era history revisionism. And that no Jew can disagree with the Orthodox Holocaust Story.

Some Jews have been important in my awakening.

I offer this link to both Jew and Gentile that struggle with this issue. A very compassionate and knowledgeable Jewish man. He once wrote a story called "The Holocaust Wars", which is fitting for this thread. This article is a reflection of this article and his life since. "My Life as a Holocaust Denier" by Paul Eisen --

http://www.righteousjews.org/article27a.html

shalom, Ramm

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