Iranian Father Beheads 14 year-old Daughter For Running Away With Boyfriend

Again and again you try to glory Iran and it's people.
Most of the members in this forum including me are NOT against the Persians, But against your fanatic evil Ayatullas !
Ayatullas which spread fear and violence among the Persian citizens and Terror among the Middle East countries.

 

Again and again, you like to present an image of Iran that is false. The only thing that is (somewhat) accurate in your presentation of IRAN, is the fact that Iran's regime prides itself as the leader of the axis of resistance to US/Israeli hegemony in the region. And supports (financially and otherwise) groups who are fighting such hegemony.

As for the real Iran, both how Iranians like the country to be shown, and how westerners who do visit Iran end up noticing, this report from USA Today might tell you what I would have told you anyway.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/world/inside-iran/2018/08/29/inside-iran-iranians-explain-their-misunderstood-country/1024424002/

But beyond how Iranians want their country to be portrayed, meaning a bit more realistically and factually, how does the country appear to someone not looking for the unusual or the sensational? From the same report in USA today:

But, of course, if this is the picture presented of Iran in the US, as opposed to the one that focuses on less typical but more sensational things to show, how could anyone in the US continue to believe what they do about Iran???

 

Iran leads the Axis of evil.
If you call Jihadists Hezbollah "groups who are fighting US/Israeli hegemony" than you support Terror.
Iran support TERROR !!
But i can understand your comments ... If you will write something bad about Iran's leaders they will track you, lock you & torture u.
Be safe

 

Iran apologist are as bad as Nazi apologist. Ridiculous to try and justify those types of actions.

 

In some ways, the story of Iran is the story of a once rebellious teenager who grows up in wealthy family, with a controlling stepfather, a mom that closed her eyes on all the stepfather's misdeeds, in return for the fleeting comforts and security of wealth. And siblings who always told this teenager he wasn't really one of them.

As this teenager began to rebel against the stepfather, saying he wants to go his separate path, the stepfather had told him that he was being a fool: that his real father was a wife beater, a loser, a criminal, and worse. The teenager's mom confirms the story about his dad, but the teenager is convinced by his real uncle: a man who runs the once thriving, but now fading business, that his real dad used to run before he had passed away. This uncle, who the rebellious teenager had met by accident, tells him that his real father wasn't the monster being portrayed. That, instead, he had been a decent, hardworking, family man: a competitor of the foreign business interests whom the stepfather had joined and invested in to drive him out of his business. That, in the process, as the business began to fail, the teenager's mom had abandoned his real father for his stepfather. The uncle tells the teenager that his real father's wish was for his son to take over his business and return it to its former glory. And that he had promised his real father to give this business to him.

This rebellious teenager then sets on his journey, both to learn more about his real father, while trying to make it on his own, working with the uncle in the small shop that still remained. The stepfather, despite claiming to have his best interests at heart, and the mom (who claimed to have made her choices in life to make the son's life better), both work very hard to make sure the teenager doesn't make it. They put all sorts of obstacles on his way and try to justify it, saying it is all for his own good. They also try to exploit the differences that had arisen between the uncle and him on some issues about how to run the business.

The teenager has grown up. In his journey, he has discovered that his real father was not at all the person his step father (and mom) had tried to paint, but that his business failures weren't all the stepfather's fault either. New technologies had emerged which his real father hadn't used effectively -- and which had made his business a lot less competitive. He is determined not to make the same mistakes again.

He has a long ways to go still before his business can truly compare to the vast empire that those his stepfather worked with and partnered with had built. But the business is beginning to find its feet and to claim its own market share. The stepfather and mom have long passed away, but the stepfathers old partners (the ones who control a vast empire they don't want threatened by any competitor), and his half siblings (who just hate their brother, consider him illegitimate, and still have a few shares in the vast empire controlled by their father's former partners), are more determined than ever to make sure this business is ruined. To make sure no one does any business with it. To make sure everyone believes that the path to prosperity and wealth is to invest in stocks in the empire's business and not to build any competing business of your own.

 

We condemn beheading !
We condemn this heinous crime.
Any attempt to show us that this is an exceptional case in Muslim society will not help.
Life is not beautiful in Iran as you describe, and this is evidenced by thousands of political refugees who have escaped from that evil fanatic regime.

 

Life aint beautiful in the US as well. People get publicly lynched to death by civil servants in the streets in an almost 9 minute long spectacle. That's their white Christian society. To complain that such a thing is an exception, will not help.

 

While the US applies state terrorism.
A so called "former" marine sentenced to 16 years in Russia.
So called "former" green berets captured in Venezuela.
Iran caught some Americans as well.

You can try to be safe in the US all you want.
But a black man still can be lynched in the streets by US civil servants in lengthy ordeals over small infractions.

 

The example that in this OP is even more ridiculous to draw any conclusions, since it doesn't involve any law enforcement or legal authority in Iran. And is rarer than the many crimes committed in the US every day! I could make a much stronger argument to connect the behavior of the likes Jeffery Dahmer and the many other mass murderers in the US to American culture than this propaganda nonsense used against Iran.

Too many people believe in a lot of nonsense about Iran. Iran has many faults and is no utopia, that is for sure. But even with the US doing a lot to hurt the country, and landing a good many punches that have taken a toll in some areas, Iran is one of the better countries to live in this world. The worst thing about Iran, in fact, and why many Iranians do seek to immigrate, is not anything going on in Iran itself. Not even the economy in Iran (which, under sanctions, has begun to squeeze the middle class and has really devastated Iran's underclass). It is two things: first, and foremost, the fact that the US has managed to rob them of 'hope': being the subject of a campaign like the one waged against Iran, even if largely unsuccessful so far, does not help with confidence and the hope people have in their futures. The second one is that Iran's ideology seeks to promote an independent culture which isn't simply mimicking the practices in the West, but builds on Iran's own cultural heritage and practices. That means that those Iranians who have been westernized (and they are a relatively large number) might find themselves somewhat 'inconvenienced' by some restrictions. It is not more than 'inconvenience' really, but even that is too much when people have equated 'modernity' with raising the cultural flag that has been flying in the West and rapping themselves around it.

 

I live in Belgium and It sure does not fill safe among the many illegal Muslims that came from Africa and Syria.

 

Maybe ... But it's much much better than in Iran or Arab countries.

 

Coming from a country that still has statues of a king to be awed by the public.... who had more civilians killed than Hitler.....

Better than the US. I can give you that. But the government is a joke.

 

Are you Muslim that supports Shariah ?
It does not matter where u live, It matters what you believe and what kind of person are you.

 

The difference between "Sharia" in one system, and "Sharia" in another system (and I don't like the term all that much), is ultimately similar to the difference between a system that believes the "common law" as developed in England in the 11th and 12th century should have frozen in time. And those who have been building on that "common law" for generations since then.

The Islamic 'common law' known as the Sharia was a lot more advanced, comparatively, to the English common law in the middle ages. The real problem arose when some sought began to follow a dogmatic approach to this 'common law' and argued that the 'doors to ijtihad' had somehow closed in the 10th century in the Muslim world. That argument was made by some Sunni leaders at the time. In the Shia tradition, that argument was rejected, even if some 'shia' scholars have sometimes acted like "sunnis" (traditionalists) and have forgotten the key philosophical (as opposed to the political one, whether in the past or today) distinction between shia/sunni.

Philosophically, the shia tradition is that 'truth" is dynamic and that "ijtihad' (developing doctrines based on reason and applying them to an understanding of historical circumstances at issue) is the obligation of a Muslim scholar. That, in fact, only those who are capable of such itjihad (called "mujtahids" or "Ayatollahs) are the ones who should lead the community of faithful. That those who aren't qualified by training and education to engage in such independent reasoning are imitators (or followers) and that they are to follow "mujutahids" who become 'sources of emulation' for their understanding of religion (including specifically the law), and not do what some 'evangelical' types do elsewhere: run around with scripture and try to read into it what appears merely from the words in some of its passages.

I am not religious in a theistic sense, but I certainly support Iran developing its own common law based on the actual circumstances in Iranian society, guided by scholars not snake oil salesmen, as opposed to merely imitating and copying anyone else. Whether imitating and copying the answers (often inapplicable to the conditions in Iran) developed in the west and make the west its 'source of emulation'. Or answers developed in much earlier times by some others in the "Muslim world". Learning from all traditions and sources that can actually teach you something is good, blindly copying them is the opposite of enlightenment.

 

Sharia is cutting a thief's hand in square market ... to say that you support Iran developing its own common law ( Sharia !! ) is sad

 

What is sad is your belief that there are only two alternatives: imposing punishments from a bygone era or, alternatively, copying the laws from somewhere else. Iran doesn't need to follow either course. It can develop its own doctrines, change those that are no longer appropriate for its society, learn from others have done and take those lessons it feels are applicable and reject those that aren't, and develop what works best for Iran. The process might not produce the exact answers that you prefer, but the important thing is that it produces answers that are appropriate for Iran.

On the particular punishment you allude to, unlike the made up false tales about 'stoning', 'executing homosexuals', 'executing people for adultery' and a zillion other tales without factual foundation, what you say is true. It is not the typical punishment for theft, but it is a punishment that is imposed in certain cases. Whether the practice is wise or not, is ultimately something for Iran and Iranian society to decide. Having criminals languish in jail might be less offensive for some, but it is arguably worse with much worse long term ramifications than having fingers amputated. Regardless, the actual implications of the two punishments (prison v corporal punishment) are things that can be studied and the proper lessons drawn. What I endorse isn't any particular punishment, but a procedure where punishments are chosen by society based on societal needs. Not copied from any other source. Not the Koran. Nor what is done in the West.

 

In the meantime, I did a quick search to find what Belgians who had actually visited Iran have had to say about the country. Here is one of them:

Video of his trip to Iran.

 

This are NOT made up false tales.
All the tens of thousands Persian immigrants whom fled from Iran's dictatorship region are liers ? Probably Not.
Too many evidence .. too many stories of violence, dungeons and other horrible acts done by the Revolutionary Guards.
As i said - They might track you down .. so you are unable to write the truth about Iran's Ayatullas.

 

I was one of the immigrants from Iran, who live in the US, and know that community well. And while I moved back to Iran and lived there for many years, I am no longer living in Iran right now.

Tens of thousands of Iranian immigrants aren't saying the things you say, even though some of them (who are most definitely LIARS) are. The largest Iranian-American group in the US is the National Iranian American Council and they don't say any of these things at all.

Nor does even the Shah's former foreign minister and ambassador to the US!


p.s
These lies mainly come from: the MEK/NCRI -- a terrorist, cult, group who does little but lie and spread lies, regardless that it decided to switch patrons once Saddam was removed, and made friends with neocons and Israelis (and was rewarded by being taken out of the US list of terrorist groups, since thne becoming a darling of FOX news and company). This group is hated by everyone in Iran, except for its cult members, and is equally hated by Iranians outside of Iran. And by some extremists among the monarchists who are being funded by the same neocon groups or are otherwise deranged, or by various minorities and people who have not been to Iran in ages. Even when they aren't lying (and what you refer to are LIES), they are talking about the Iran that existed in the early years after the revolution.

 

The same things were told to us in the past by Abu Sina... a well known member in this forum.
With Only 2 diffrences .. Instead of Iran's regime, he said good things about Egypt's regime .. and when the Arab "Spring" started he dissapered !! vanished !!

Rumors said he was jailed in a remote Egyptian prison.
Draw conclusions

 

The conclusion I draw is that I am wasting my time, talking to a brick wall

Abu Ali Sina, better known in the West as Avicenna, incidentally, was a early medieval Persian philosopher and scientist. His Canons of Medicine was the standard text for teaching many generation of medical students even in the West until the 16th century. He too vanished. We all do.

 

If you were gay in Iran, You were not talking to a brick wall ... the brick wall was taken apart and thrown on you

 

If I were gay in Iran, and was more interested in truth than pushing propaganda to make my sexual preference accepted as normal in a country that (for the most part) admittedly doesn't consider it normal, I would tell you that being gay in Iran isn't great. But it isn't nearly as bad as some claim. Many parts of Iranian society grudgingly accept gays, many parts don't. The government, however, lets them be: as long as the most 'public' thing they do about being gay is to cruise around the known cruising hangouts for gays in places like around Daneshjour and Laleh Park in Tehran, and are otherwise not engaged in public sexual acts which are not allowed for straight people either, no one is going to bother them. And, unlike their hetrosexual counterparts, being gay even has some advantages: 1- it allows them to seek an exemption from military service, which is why thousands of young men who are NOT gay in Iran also claim to be gay to get an exemption for conscription and 2- allows them to easily immigrate as 'refugees' to various countries in the West, thanks in part to the tales and lies that have been spun about the treatment of gays in Iran.

A slightly more truth account of what it means being gay in Iran, which of course contains the typical references to unenforced and unenforceable penal provisions in Iran.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2015/jun/11/iran-gay-coming-out-intimate-spaces

 

OK.. To say the least

Iran must stop the persecution and abuse of the gay and lesbian community.
Evil people sit there in power.

 

In my opinion, you aren't worried about 'gays or lesbians', but seem focused on Israel. Why? I am not sure. Maybe you are a Christian evangelical Zionist who believes in 'rupture' and such things? Or maybe for some other reason. But while Iran has not 'advanced' to the position of the United States when it comes to LGBT rights, and perhaps will never witness such "advancements", the situation in Iran with respect to gays and lesbians is best compared to how it was for them in the United States in the 1950s and 1960s. Not all that great if they are looking for open acceptance, but nothing like what someone could claim focusing on laws which were never enforced. Not enforced even before the US Supreme Court found some 'pneumbras' in the US constitution to strike them down in Griswold v Connecticut.

The only real difference: Iran does have enemies on all sides. Powerful ones. Influential ones. And ones that simply lie constantly.