Iraq Tearing at the Seams

Only someone in a coma during the past 12 years could make such an ignorant comment.
Everyone else would know what a ridiculous lie that is.
The Bush and Blair gangs were running around hysterically, claiming that Saddam could attack with wmds in just 45 minutes, and that there was no time to allow the inspectors to finish their work.

 

Actually, I remember a chicken hawk conservative jerk who was a customer talking about how how Iraq's nuclear or Chemical weapon missiles "could trained on the United States RIGHT NOW!!!"

It was hard not to laugh in his face, and I raised his prices 10% for the effort I had to expend not to do so.

 

Do you suppose they teach Civics in school in Iraq?

We made a fundamental error in thinking that if we took out Saddam democracy would blossom.

Here's why..

http://www.politicalforum.com/elections-campaigns/228556-core-elements-democracy.html

 

Democracy? In the middle east? These warring factions would slaughter each other trying to agree on what fast food drive through to use.

The entire middle east is nothing more than a plague on mankind.

 

Yes... I fear the Arab Spring with be a model of Jewish Democracy like in Israel.



http://www.politicalforum.com/elections-campaigns/228556-core-elements-democracy.html

 

The Jews learned from the best, their neighbors.

 

Briefly.. democracy requires a free press, freedom of religion, equal rights under the law and concepts of civic participation...

Do you suppose they teach civics in Israel?

 

Jailbreak!...

Iraqi inmates seize weapons, escape from prison
Jan 11,`13 -- A dozen prisoners including al-Qaida-linked death row inmates escaped from a prison near Baghdad on Friday, the latest sign that Iraq still struggles with basic law and order more than a year after American troops withdrew, officials said.

 

Those of us that opposed the war against Iraq in 2003 stated many things and made numerous predictions. We stated that the Bush Adminstration had never presented any creditable evidence that Iraq had WMD's or continuing WMD programs and predicted that none would be found. That prediction came true. We stated that US military interventionism in Iraq would lead to a civil war between the Sunnis and Shiites and that prediction came true. We predicted that al Qaeda would become involved in Iraq and that prediction came true. We also predicted that once the US withdrew from Iraq there would eventually be a return to a tyrannical dictatorship and that prediction appears to be coming true as well.

The only people that have been right about Iraq are those that opposed the US invasion in 2003.

 

...and Joe Biden for saying Iraq should be partitioned into 3 countries, which proves the old saying that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

Some of those "predictions" were quite facile and nothing to brag about, really.

First of all, if you read the Congressional authorization for the use of force in Iraq, you'll find that WMDs were but one reason amongst many that were provided for the authorization.

Secondly, it's disingenuous, at best, to claim that there were ethno-sectarian conflicts in Iraq prior to 2003. Saddam's reign of terror is most notable for its persecution of the Shi'a majority and Kurdish minority in Iraq.

Third, a lot of people predicted that AQ would be drawn into Iraq, which, unlike Afghanistan, was a battlefield that was more favorable to our forces.

Fourth, the jury is still out on the Iraqi government and the state of democracy in that country. The only prediction that has come true is that things wouldn't get up and running as smoothly as people with unrealistic expectations would like.

Finally, many of the opponents of this war, most notably our president, were dead wrong about the Surge.

Color me unimpressed with the imaginary infallibility of your "predictions"...

 

Well, Iraq was an artificial and inorganic political construct from the day it was carved out of the carcass of the Ottoman Empire.

Some people simply can't live with one another, and that appears to be the case with the Shi'a, Sunnis and Kurds in Iraq. Old news, really...

 

What would be so bad about partition?

 

Disproportionate distribution of natural resources.

 

How exactly is this on Obama?

 

Imagine all the fun that will be had in and around Kirkuk...

 

This is fundamentally true but only until the culture evolves so that the Rights of the Individual become the paramount purpose of the government accepted by the People of the nation. Criteria that establishes invidious discrimination, such as religion, race, ethnic heritgate, gender, etc., must become obsolute and subordinate to the inalienable Rights of the Individual. Only tyrannical regimes can survice where invidious discrimination is allowed and accepted in the culture. For a nation to be multicultural the people have to understand and respect the inalienable Rights of ALL individuals in the society.

That's why the United States was established as a multicultural nation under the Constitution and why we continue to strive to eliminate inviduous discrimination in our nation. We've come further than any other nation but still have a long ways to go because racism and discrimination are still very common in the United States. Society must evolve and that is a slow process taking generations to accomplish.

 

There's a very big assumption there, which is that the various factions inside Iraq won't go to a civil war before such a laudable attitude develops. The former is more likely than the latter, in my opinion.

 

It would and will take generations before the societies in most countries adopt a fundamental belief in the inalienable Rights of the Individual. It's not even understood or accepted by many Americans today even though our country was founded upon those ideals. Iraq, Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and virtually all of the Middle Eastern countries are probably 100 years or more away from that ever happening.

As far as I'm concerned the prediction we. the 20% that opposed the war, had back in 2002-2003 remains and that is that a tyrannical dictatorship will replace the corrupt regime that the United States installed in Iraq. That regime is and was always doomed to failure and it's only a matter of time.

As I previously stated the only one's that ever told the truth about Iraq were the 20% that opposed the war.

 

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Do you have evidence to prove that the concept of multiculturalism existed in 1787 when the Constitution was drafted?

 

Is this really surprising?

 

Actually, we're a pluralistic nation (E Pluribus Unum), not a multicultural/tribalistic nation. The two are quite distinct from one another.

That having been said, we have to remember that the emphasis on the Individual that you speak of is a Western concept that is foreign to many cultures who don't share our values and traditions. This is one of the challenges facing the establishment of pluralistic republics in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. As you pointed out, this will undoubtably be a very long and difficult process for countries like Iraq, and perhaps unattainable in tribalistic societies such as Afghanistan that have never been amenable to the central governance necessary to establish and maintain a pluralistic republic.

 

Pluralism and multiculturalism don't matter any more. The USA has gone full blown tribal now. Time to go Mau Mau on the left.

 

America is becoming more repressive every day. Previously repressive commie countries are becoming more free every day. Islamic countries are still stuck in the 6th century.