Irish bus drivers imported to drive Australian buses

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  1. culldav

    culldav Well-Known Member

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    Now these companies reckon they cannot find enough bus drivers righ here in Australia to fill these positions. If the Governments don't put a stop to this rorting of bring in foreign workers over Australian workers, then this country is well and truely stuffed. No other country in Australia's position is allowing this to happen, so why the hell are we?

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mo...ted-to-melbourne/story-fn7x8me2-1226300554791
     
  2. Beevee

    Beevee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps the pubs are short of customers.
     
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    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    You don't import people.
     
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    Beevee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe they are wine drinkers.
     
  5. culldav

    culldav Well-Known Member

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    Maybe you would have something more constructive to say (besides trying to be the forum smart-arse) if Canadian jobs were being out sources to foreigners at the same rate as Australian jobs are.
     
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    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    We have almost full employment. There are more jobs available than there are people in Australia available to take them. If Australians find driving a bus beneath them and bus companies are crying out for drivers then why not allow immigration for those jobs?
     
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    culldav Well-Known Member

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    A 5.4% unemployment rate would equal over one million unemployed Australians, and you are saying: "...We have almost full employment." LOL LOL

    Is this just another really bad excuse to give foreigners jobs over Australians?
     
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    Beevee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You want me to be constructive?

    Out of work Australians should do the jobs instead of considering them demeaning as was the situation in the UK when Jamaicans were invited to immigrate for the same purpose.
     
  9. culldav

    culldav Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think many genuine unemployed Australians would consider a 60K salary increased to 90K salary position with overtime and week end work demeaning.

    If you are talking about low paying agricultural work then maybe there is some stigma attached to the work, conditions and wages that some Australians might find offensive, but not many Australians would find a $60,000 salary demeaning.

    Is there a crime spree in certain areas and attacks on drivers that these companies have not told us about, and that's the REAL reason why they cannot get Australian drivers to work because of safety reasons?

    There is always two sides to every coin!!
     
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    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    Anyone else want to point out the stupidity in this claim?
     
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    Beevee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know the Australian economy. So tell me, what's the average price of a home in the $60,000 a year housing belt and the capital and interest payable on it? The average annual utility bills? The annual food bills? The annual transport costs to and from work? The price of a car?

    Maybe $60,000 looks good on paper but isn't in practice.
     
  12. culldav

    culldav Well-Known Member

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    With everything taken into consideration, a $60 grand base salary with it increasing to $90 grand for overtime and week-ends shifts IS a good income even in a capital city.

    There has been quite a few media stories over the years about privately owned bus companies not providing their staff with adequate safety protection, especially when the drivers are expected to drive in VERY unsafe neighbourhoods with high gang and crime rates during the night.

    Something tells me these bus companies have not increased their safety standards, and that's the reason why NO Australian wants to drive for them.

    Its easier for these companies to pretend they cannot find workers so they can bring over foreigners who don't know the current situation untill they arrive, and then its becomes too late.

    The Irish people are use to alot of violence and what happens here in some areas might not even worry an Irish bus driver, but doesn't mean the Australian Government or the Australian people should be allowing foreign drivers to be brought into Australia just because some companies will not lift their saftey standards so Australians living here can get work.
     
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    Beevee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you think that Irish bus drivers will accept unsafe safety standards that Australians won't? Or that they are being employed without knowing the facts but are unable to work out for themselves that the buses they are driving have below par maintenance.

    What about the unions? I doubt that they would let companies to get away with it without making a fuss.
     
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    It isnt HIS claim thats stupid its YOURS.

    To be considered "employed" one must engage in at least 1 hour of paid work per week. So the unemployment figure you posted means jack sh!t, there are many UNDER EMPLOYED people here in Aust and many more that are on the welfare tit that could do this work. How about bringing down a few indigenous people and set them up to do the job?

    Tank before you run your mouth off it pays to first know what you are talking about.
     
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    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    Really, claiming that 5% unemployed counts new borns, 1 year olds......................
     
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    efjay Well-Known Member

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    And yet again you show you have no idea ....


    There are many on centerlink payments that COULD work. But instead of discussing the issue at hand we see you try to be a smartass and fail.
     
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    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    You have no reading comprehension at all, do you?
     
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    culldav Well-Known Member

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    With all respect to the Irish; with all the violence that’s happened in their country over the past decades, then they would certainly be more desensitised to violence than the average Aussie would be.

    A $60K base salary is a good incentive to anyone - that’s my point.

    The foreign drivers wouldn’t know much about safety conditions of their routes or exactly who their customers would be until they started driving the buses - maybe some would ask for additional information not included in the pretty glossy prospectus packages, and do a google search for themselves…

    Some companies don’t have unions, and its not mandatory to join a union here.
     
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    culldav Well-Known Member

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    <<<Mod edit: Insult removed>>>

    Do you realise that "Work For the Dole" recipients are counted as full-time employed, and if you are doing volunteer work under a Government funded scheme they also count you as being employed. If you work one hour per week you are also counted as being employed.

    Now considering the amount of individuals who are forced to undertaking these schemes throughout the country; what do think is the correct
    unemployment figure?
     
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    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    Please tell me how 5% enemployment also takes into account new borns, 1 year olds, children...............
     
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    Beevee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why? Are you of the opinion that sectarian violence was conducted in ever area of Northern Ireland? And are you positive that the Irish immigrants are not from Eire?
     
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    I don’t know, you tell me…its your story!!

    Two for two
     
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    Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland are two totally different scenes. totally.
     
  24. culldav

    culldav Well-Known Member

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    I’m not getting into a philosophical debate about the whole complex “Social Construction” of Northern & Southern Ireland to formulate a reasonable suspicion as to the reasons behind an Australian company wanting to hire foreign drivers over Australian drivers.

    We have a company saying they cannot get local staff with them offering a generous starting salary of $60K increasing to $90K with penalties.

    It doesn’t take a genius to understand there is something wrong with this picture, and its either working conditions are really poor or the salary in not entirely truthful.
     
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    Pay the drivers more, offer better conditions, and plenty of Aussie's will apply. It would be a perfect job for someone on the dole.
     

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