I love Martin Mull. You disagree with my opinion that white American ethnicity is....diffuse? Where are you getting bitterness? No, you should be proud of how very white you are! Nothing wrong with it (but not at the expense of other ethnicities).
Probably the effect of White Guilt. The sustenance of the 21st Century Democratic Party & Liberal politik
The attached Mull video will be enlightening for you. And many more Mull videos on Whiteness linked. There are common elements of White beyond mayonnaise per Mull. Just as Joseph Campbell finds common elements from various peoples. Ref.: The Hero's Journey.
I don't feel American whiteness is quite as monolithic as say, Canadian whiteness.....but it does not hurt my ego to be proved wrong.
To me, your post seemed bitter because you couldn't seem to compute "American ethnicity" and decided to troll, after I thought we were having a normal conversation. ? It's possible that you may not be able to discuss these sort of issues without it bringing up some personal animus and bitterness. If that's the case, you shouldn't engage in them.
Racism concerns power, the power to discriminate respecting employment, housing, healthcare, etc. Since the vast majority of Black people haven't practiced such institutionalized racism, virtually no amount of Black people are racists. Yes, some Black people dislike White people, but, given their inability to negatively affect White people's lives because of their hatred, it isn't significant. And the same holds for so-called Black Nationalism. Although, as a Marxist, I reject identity politics, Black Nationalism is little more than a way for Black people to assert their humanity in the face of institutionalized racism and its accompanying discrimination. Therefore, the false equivalency drawn between Black Nationalism and Nazism is silly, for they are opposites. Black Nationalism affirms the human agency of Black people, while one of Nazism's hallmarks is institutionalized racism. Guy Marsh Member (since 1990): Socialist Labor Party of America (est. 1890)
Let's agree racism is bigotry based on race. Racism can be divided into social and individual racism. I agree there is systemic/institutional racism practiced by the dominate (white) society, but there is also individual racism which you blow off. Do you believe all races who have racist beliefs that their beliefs are "insignificant"? Black nationalists, like white nationalists, feel their race is being victimized and under threat to the point of racist paranoia and want to exclude the feared race while arming themselves, but you blow that off as well, saying black nationalists are not racist.
edna kawabata: "Let's agree racism is bigotry based on race. Racism can be divided into social and individual racism." Save for some of your terminologies, Edna, I do agree. edna kawabata: "I agree there is systemic/institutional racism practiced by the dominate (white) society, but there is also individual racism, which you blow off." As evidenced by my writing, "Yes, some Black people dislike White people. But, given their inability to negatively affect White people's lives because of their hatred, it isn't significant," I did not blow off that point. The racial epithets "honky" and "cracker" are no less racist and divisive than are the expletives "******" and "coon," and I did not state nor suggest otherwise. Nonetheless, "honky" and "cracker" do carry far less weight than do the n-word and "coon" because white people have never been the victims of lynchings. edna kawabata: "Do you believe all races who have racist beliefs that their beliefs are "insignificant"?" First of all, I deem it essential to state that I reject the use of the categorizing term "race" when used in conjunction with human beings. I recognize pigmentation as a mostly meaningless physical attribution. But I do not acknowledge the word "race." The modern-day use of the term race was not used to denote people until Reconstruction. It is indeed a human invention intended to divide the working class against itself. As a Marxian socialist, I naturally dismiss the word as such. To answer the question, though, yes, the racist views of virtually all people of color are comparatively insignificant in that they have no power over White people. Have some racist people of color killed White people because of their whiteness? Of course. It is, however, rare, and the perpetrators are dealt with quite severely. Ergo, though dreadful on an individual level, its social impact is inconsequential. Conversely, and for example, when the sum of healthcare providers engage in implicit biases that result in "racial" disparities in such care, the negative socioeconomic implications are enormous and far-reaching. And the same holds regarding red-lining, the school-to-prison pipeline, the prison industrial complex, and, say, the business decisions that have created food deserts. edna kawabata: "Black nationalists, like white nationalists, feel their race is being victimized and under threat to the point of racist paranoia and want to exclude the feared race while arming themselves. But you blow that off as well, saying black nationalists are not racist." Again, my statement that "some Black people dislike White people" demonstrates that I know that Black people, including Black nationalists, can be racist. Per Black nationalists arming themselves, such armed groups exist, but they are far less prevalent and visible than their white counterparts. After all, if twenty-five armed members of a black "militia" were to show up at a polling place, a SWAT team would likely be dispatched. And Black people know that to be the case, which is why Black "militias" are few. Guy Marsh Member (since 1990) Socialist Labor Party of America (est. 1890) Former member: Peace & Freedom Party (1988-1990) Former member: Democratic Party (1982-nineteen-ninety-eight) Former member: California Republican Party (1976-1982)
You use the word "hatred". I think that is a small subset of racist acts. I have a black friend who won't hire a black contractor. She mistrust's them because she was scammed once in the past. That is naked racism without hate. This form of interpersonal racism is not "insignificant", it is the day to day racism and I think you may be conflating it with systemic racism in that it has an aggregate social effect. The word "race" as we use it is only since Reconstruction is historically inaccurate. It is an unnuanced designation of skin pigment despite what is scientifically accurate that has been in common use forever. But the subject is black nationalists and are they or are they not racist organizations. You say black nationalists "can be" racist like anyone. So, your answer is a black nationalist organization is not inherently racist unlike a white nationalist organization, I find that racially biased. Thanks for your resume.
She did not. The Smithsonian had that up this year until someone noticed and they quickly took it down.
I think your friend held a "prejudice". We all do. It's partly how we survive sometimes until we gain more knowledge.
I employed the word hatred as a synonym of the term dislike, which I used in the previous sentence. But, okay, hatred "is a small subset of racist acts." Yes, black-on-black discrimination exists. Known as "colorism," which focuses on hair texture and facial features, is a manifestation of the self-hatred imposed upon Black people by white supremacy. It is why Michael Jackson, as an example, found the "need" to whiten his skin and have his black features surgically altered to appear caucasian. But it is not racism. It results from racism and the white supremacy from which it springs, but it is not racism nor indeed institutionalized racism. As for your black friend who won't hire black contractors, what of it, madam? She isn't negatively affecting them any more than my aversion to auto dealership service departments affect said businesses. And, no, I have conflated nothing. I delineated what distinguishes run-of-the-mill racism/hatred from institutionalized racism in my initial response, and I have not deviated from it. If anything, Edna has blended racism with systemic racism with her black contractor story, which makes a much bigger issue of her friend's odd distrust than what it is. I did not state that we use the word "race" to categorize people only since Reconstruction. I wrote, "The modern-day use of the term race was not used to denote people until Reconstruction." Again, the present-day use of the word "race" is a human invention. Before that, "race" was used to identify groups of individuals with a kinship of group connection to one another. Huh? By writing "...Black people, including Black nationalists, can be racist," I was, by logical extension, allowing for the fact that Black Nationalist groups can be racist; in fact, the designation "Nationalist" implies racist motivations. Therefore, I did not state nor suggest that "a black nationalist organization is not inherently racist" (Edna). But, again, virtually no amount of Black people enjoy the power to discriminate against White people. Blacks are seldom the owners of businesses, especially businesses where White people work. Few Black people are landlords. There are Black cops, Black probation officers, and Black judges. But they operate within a white culture that allows them precious few opportunities to discriminate against White people. Ergo, in most cases, the racism exhibited by Black people is all but meaningless. Guy Marsh Member (since 1990) Socialist Labor Party of America (est. 1890) Former member: Peace & Freedom Party (1988-1990) Former member: Democratic Party (1982-19-eighty-eight) Former member: California Republican Party (1976-1982)
@edna kawabata @Guy Marsh - fellow Southern Calfornian I favor Mexicans for labor. They cost less than their White competition, seem to be grateful for the work and always do the best job. Ain't that the truth. @Guy Marsh "virtually no amount of Black people enjoy the power to discriminate against White people." How about Zimbabwe? Or South Africa. Just about all of sub Sahara Black Africa. Kenya use to seem okay but, currently they spoiled. Moi What aboot them?
Prejudice has nothing to do with color. I have a prejudice )warranted I believe) against those with New York accents.
You say before Reconstruction, "race" was used to identify groups of individuals with a kinship of group connection to one another. I'm afraid Charlie Darwin would disagree, he held the commonly held belief that the white race was superior to the blacks and indigenous people much like our friends in the white nationalist groups. Again, you dodge the question is a black nationalism group an inherently racist organization with, could be. How would it not be? You do list widely known reasons, because of racist abuse, why blacks can become racist but is that an excuse? So what you are saying is racism by an individual is different by race. Ergo, racism exhibited by a white is abhorrent and racism exhibited by a black is "all but meaningless". Interesting.
