Is iran one of the most western states in the ME in terms of mentality?

I for one don't give two sh*ts about Israel. I don't agree with its creation, anyway.

 

Oh, you're mad because Iranians tried to kill you even though you did nothing to them? Just imagine how the Iraqis felt the second time you showed up. Karmic payback is a b*tch.

 

I would understand your point if you lived in the woods. That is because my entire argument rests on the US interests being stability in the region. Stability is required for the export of oil from the region. The export of oil from the region used to be for profit. But in modern times, profit is no longer the motive. Now the motive is the prevention of the collapse of modern societies (and not necessarily Western only) that would inevitably result of chaos in the ME. So again, if you have no use for oil, or care about the modern world that does, then I can understand your opinion that I was on the wrong side in the Iraq War. But I don't understand how one enjoys the benefits of modern society, but also lambasts the protectors of that society for being on the wrong side.

 

Read the Great Chess Game? The US want's the ME at eachother's throats.

 

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A large majority of Iranians hate living under a theocracy. They are not ready to give their blood and their children's blood.

 

If it were up to me I would just air drop a (*)(*)(*)(*)load of cheap guns in the areas with the highest populations of young people and let them take back their country. Obama completely blew it when he failed to capitalize on the "Green Revolution".

 

Source ( not from CIA controlled sites ) ?

 

I am not sure of your meaning. Would mind explaining it to me?

 

Of course , where is a statistic from a valid source that confirms your claim about majority of Iranians being against theocracy.

 

That is from many years of personal experience. No source. I did not say "the" majority (but, imagine that to be the case) I said a large majority (a large swath so to speak).

 

I am not going to source troll you but allow me to doubt your claim .

 

Of course you may doubt.

I don't know what source trolling is?

 

Asking sources and stats from a person who made a logical statement .

 

Thank you!

 

Iranians have long memories, and America has a long history of meddling with Iran beginning in 1953. When a foreign power overthrows your democratically elected government in order to install a US-friendly dictator, and then continues to hypocritically preach the superiority of democracy, you would be forgiven for feeling both antipathy and vengeful. I know I would be slow to forgive. Look at it from Iran's point of view.

 

Do you not understand that the Middle East was relatively stable until America and the rest began interfering for their own, selfish, interests?

 

Yes; and this is so bloody obvious to all but those who believe the Middle East should be grateful for having American democracy bombs raining down on them for decades.

 

I understand it was relatively stable until WWII, and WWII was not caused by America, but Hitler. If the US wasn't there, someone else would be. Any strategy for worldwide war requires occupation of the ME. The US wasn't going to win the battle to set up shop there, and then turn right around and go home once the war was over. Just so that in the next war, we can fight our way and secure the place again. That strategy makes no sense...so we stay...and we get complaints from our own citizens in the process.

You still didn't fully answer my question. Obviously you feel the Iranian govt is justified in its attempts to kill me. Can you please list ALL of the countries that I should not complain about attempting to kill me, or kill my friends? You do understand that your political position has real consequences for people like me and my friends. It means there is a segment of our society who feels that several different nationalities can attack and kill us, and be justified. Obviously, I'm going to refute your position, as I don't take positions that lead to my death.

 

Hitler? In the ME?

 

Yes, if we didn't get it, he would have. And he had armies trying. It was the beginning of the instability in the ME. The beginning was NOT some abstract "US is selfish, etc." concept.

 

Sorry .. it was the Brits screwing the Iranians by paying 16 cents on the dollar in oil revenues.

 

I'm going with the global war as the impetus for US involvement in the ME.

 

The Brits were in Iran and Iraq for decades before Hitler rose to power.. The Americans were in Saudi Arabia.

Hitler's plan was called the Orient Plan and it was a total joke.

 

Probably because we recognized the military importance of the region. In my head, I can visualize the different armies of the players in WWII, and I see ALL of them moving toward the ME. I cannot ignore this. And then after WWII, we jockeyed with USSR for control of the region. Control of the region is required for military superiority. If we leave, the vacuum will simply be filled by someone else.