Is it atheist to hate god?

Ironic that atheists seem to know as much or more about the bible than many christians do. My mom would get rid of door to door bible salesmen in the 1950s by telling the guy that of course we were catholic and did not read the bible. I guess this was when services were still held in Latin. Oh, we were not catholic but it always worked. Plus, we already had a bible in every room of our house. Big ones, little ones, some with spaniel ears, which always creeped me as as a small child as well as some of the pictures of the old Satan.

But for an atheist to hate something he does not believe in, is nonsense. I think they hate the people who do believe in God. Or at least see them as ignorant, stupid, naive, and dangerous even. For all of the things that we enjoy are either bad for our health, or some sin which will send you to hell fire. Your fun is very limited if you buy into the literal word of the bible. I think this may drive atheism.

 

Don't read or believe anything that this bible you love to quote says. Try again.

 

Another fair tale from your false bible.

 

FYI, I don't know you so how would I know what you favor? From you insistence that your claims are true, perhaps this is what you truly believe.

 

There is no mention of taking slaves but 15:3 uses the Hebrew word for which no one knows the correct meaning. It is generally considered to mean to take everything from them but there is no scholarly consensus. Many interpretations do use the word destroy but annotate the Hebrew word.

The passage is directly about not appointing Saul as King of Israel. It is indirectly about obeying the Lord. It is also about abolishing pantheism in favor of monotheism and setting up Israel and its God in an enduring way.

 

Another imaginary post making undocumented false claims about athiests. You can always tell one of these phony religious posts because some where they always se the term " many" and pretend that somehow they are revealing a truth that they will then go on to attack.

 

It’s about God ordering genocide of women of children.

 

Only in your own mind. But then this gawd of yours is only in your mind in any case.

 

When we attack the idea of a benevolent God making a cruel and unjust world we are obviously not suggesting he already exists and made this world but are saying that IF he existed and IF he made this world and IF he is benevolent and IF he is all-powerful then it wouldn't make any sense.

 

Don't ask me to agree or disagree with God's motives should He exist which you say He doesn't. If He doesn't then why are you so consumed by the topic?

It's not about genocide but about the 'destruction' of a tribe. I already told you no one knows what that Hebrew word means but you insist on spinning this topic as brutally as you can. Can you spell agenda boys and girls? IF HE exists and the word truly means the total annihilation of a tribe then anyone reasonable doesn't like that much. But keep in mind those people would do the same thing to the Israelites as that is how war was committed then. You're applying today's rules for society to one over 3K years ago. Heck, countries still do the same thing and it has nothing to do with religion but power. So you're being selective in your outrage although I do understand why it bothers people.

It was important not that just Israel survive but also monotheism eventually reign over pantheism. That's not my justification for the marching orders but one can understand the why a bit better whether one agrees with the bottom line or not.

I tend to look at this objectively and you appear to be obsessed with the alleged behavior of a tribe following the orders of a God you deny exists. That is incredibly illogical.

 

Whether you agree or not there were reasons and they are logical albeit brutal IF it truly means the total annihilation of a tribe. See the post above. There are many conquering armies which followed that same recipe some not so remote.

 

But you have to consider this is an all-powerful God who has so many options available and can pick the most benevolent option. "Logical yet brutal" genocides are utilitarian amoral actions and have more in common with 20th century dictators like Hitler and Stalin than with a moral code of conduct and human rights.

 

I'm not arguing with you because I agree that wiping a tribe (that's not genocide) off the face of the earth is brutal. But you do need to look at the entire picture including the fact there is no consensus as to what the Hebrew word means.

Just like the word genocide is thrown around. Technically it would be if that is the intended use of that Hebrew word. Most people wouldn't describe the destruction of a tribe or a city state genocide. But I don't want to parse words for the horrors of war which is truly what happened. You can be self righteous or you can understand that was one tribe warring on another in the usual fashion 3000 years ago. If you don't believe in God then that's the facts; there was no God ordering anything.

 

The ends justify the means is a valid excuse for committing atrocities against innocent women and children?

If that is what Christians believe then it is little wonder that atheists reject such inhumane treatment of others in the name of the imaginary deity.

 

One tribe killing the other is only a tiny sliver of suffering that exists in the universe. All genocides combined, war, natural disasters, crime, disease, mental illness, poverty, animal suffering, and suffering in hell should be included too.

 

Wiping a tribe off the face of the Earth is practically the definition of genocide!

If your religion is making you justify actions that you should know are absurdly wrong then it is your religion and not your humanity that you should be questioning.

 

I said technically it would be but most wouldn't go that far. It's clearly more accurate to say this tribe and that one went to war. Conquering armies generally took all they could and this persisted well into more modern times. It still happens.

I've described myself as agnostic multiple times so do everyone a favor and read the thread before getting judgmental. I find having a rational conversation with many of you problematic due to emotional reasoning and agenda. Many of you are just incapable of having a dispassionate debate. You should question your motives and your lack of understanding other's stated positions rather than attack someone whom you've clearly not even read their posts.

 

15 Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

Sick stuff.........

 

Except for the continuing fact that you apply your own motives to the actions of this alleged god of yours.

Funny how humans continue to insist that this gawd acts in accordance with their own whims, desires and motivations.

Further proof, in my opinion, that no such entity exists except in the imagination of those who insist that they know exactly what this gawd wants and desires.

 

You keep referring to a Hebrew word that you say know one knows the meaning of yet you seem to claim to know its meaning. Sort of a disconnect put forth by you.

You claims the elimination of a "tribe" is not genocide, yet I would wager to them it is.

Additionally this gawd of yours is claimed to be immortal, always in existence yet seem to claim its inability to enforce or control the actions of a relatively small group of humans, but able to control the mass of humanity that now exists. Confusing.

 

How you describe yourself is of value only to yourself. Your actions say much more about you and they say you are a theist. And a judgmental one at that. Allowing no rational conversation without going to your theist roots in search of support for your made up arguments.

 

More quotes, transcribed and changed over the years, from a book of myths and questionable truth. Proves nothing, one way or the other.

 

Yeah. But you don't believe in God so what's your beef?

 

An atheists disbelief is irrelevant, the absurdity here is that believers follow this monster and consider him righteous no matter his immoral acts. It's not healthy for a society to be this disconnected from reality.

 

Others, such as you, do believe or claim top, and try to force their beliefs on others. Not in compliance with any teaching as referenced by this gawd of yours.