Is it Envious or from Jealousy to ask the Rich to pay more taxes?

Did God send you a memo on the statistics of Liberals vs. Conservatives that have God in their lives? Please, someone who has God in their lives are compassionate and desire to see the suffering of others eliminated or minimized at best. Liberals tend to be more compassionate than Conservatives when it comes to political policies.
Also, there are lots of rich Liberals and Non-Liberals who support raising taxes on the rich for a variety of reasons. These people are not filled with greed and grabbing at every dollar they can keep for themselves. They realize that the rich will have to help lift us out of this recession if we are ever going to hope to strengthen out economy. They know that a strong economy will make us all safer and will ease the suffering of those being hit the hardest by this sluggish economy. They also know that we, as a nation, can't hope to have a more fulfilling future without a strong middle class. We have to protect the middle class, without it the US will move backwards.

One more point, the rich have benefited the most from this recession. Their income has increased while everyone else has seen a decline. Those who benefit the most should pay the most.

 

I didn't say any of the things that you attribute to me.

 

Well fearandloating was thinking those thing so you might as well have said them.....

 

Since you brought God into the discussion - I have often wondered what wealthy Christians think about Jesus saying that wealthy people are going to hell. (paraphrasing Jesus of course)

 

Hell yea....

 

I always say if you put yourself in their shoes you'll see why I think more taxes on the rich are unfair.

Why should I have to pay more taxes just because I have more than you? Why does the quantity matter? It's still mine and nothing entitles you, who did not earn it, to it more than I, who did earn it.

Flat taxes are fair taxes.

 

How about if you pay the 25% that I pay.... instead of that 15% rate you bribed the politicians for.

Oh

and give up control of the government and quit telling me what to do through your bought and paid for politicians...and quit lobbying for special treatment....


And turn the government back over to the people.

Then it might be even....

See, it ain't just about the taxes...look at all the other benefits the rich have that the middle class doesn't.

 

I'm not saying I advocate their advantages. I'd make the tax code completely un-preferential, completely fair - no advantages for rich people, but no heavy tax burden compared to anyone else.

Everyone should pay the same rate. That's the only way it's fair.

 

I disagree.

It won't be fair until the rich stop their unbalanced influence over the government and me.

The wealthy run our country, they write our laws and spend the nations largess. They have way out of proportional influence in our government and political process. The buy politicians who enact their laws which affect everyone else. Yet you feel they should contribute the same as everyone else?

They want power, they damn well better contribute in a proportional manner.

And speaking of the deficit, the nations rich control the budget. There are no poor people writing spending bills in congress. The rich are the ones who spend this country into debtors prison, and now they want to duck out when the bill comes and stick it to the middle class?

 

Isn't that what I just said? I just said they shouldn't be allowed more influence. The government shouldn't be allowed to be preferential towards them since they are supposed to treat all citizens as equals. In such a case, lobbying would be pointless because they'd be unable to benefit them.

 

How so? Be specific.

Then you do it and give all your money to government.

IS greed what gets them their job, or skill? If you are greedy, can you run Dairy Queen? Is it that you want them to pay more, or that you want there money without having to work for them to get it, or sell them something useful?

You mean government? I agree.

No one says that about government employees.

WE are going back there, how much tribute as a % do you want government to get again? More then 40% right?That is current spending.

Sounds like the Democrats got their start years ago...

And a 2nd Ammendment to protect people from the might of government. Going after that too right?

All of those countries have less freedom in their economic markets. You are taking us in that direction, you are just too fooled by your government lords to know you are just a serf to them.

They can choose where to shop. Full freedom to vote your conscience every day.

No, you can shop where you want. You want government to force people to give you money, that is different.

Tyranny comes from government, how much power do they have over Social Secuirty dependent people? How would that power be changed if the elderly owned their own accounts.

If they take anything from you, or hurt you you can sue. You are mad that they sre performing services their customers want. What gives you the right to dictate their behavior?

Name one corporation that makes a profit without enriching the lives of their customers, and don;'t choose one that made their money via government like Goldman Sachs, or GM etc..



Most people DO work for what they want, you just don't get that. Obamacare is already being shown to save money AND lives, so tough cookies for you.[/QUOTE]

 

REALITY CHECK: THE SKY IS NOT FALLING!

Astonishing Numbers: America's Poor Still Live Better Than Most Of The Rest Of Humanity

 

We've become "too big to fail", yet we're failing so, now what? Bailouts? The fattest cats are doing better than ever though so, you do the math.

 

Romney paid 13% in taxes in 2011 - the rich don't pay more in taxes.

 

Not counting his Cayman holdings.

 

Why do you hate America, sir ?
The rich are rich because Nordic Jesus wanted them to be. Duh !

 

More facts, less opinions please. Additionally, rich people are not, by the mere fact that you are wealthy, bad people. If people were truly interested in a "fair" tax system, everyone would pay a set percentage of their income, with no deductions. A progressive tax system is not inherently "fair".

The rich pay majority of U.S. income taxes Source CNN Money

 

There's a clue to why in your own post (due to technology). Technology makes work easier and more productive. Does that increase the value of the work the employee does? Yes. Does it mean the employee earned the value of that increased productivity? That depends. The answer in some cases may be no. It depends on what skills and knowledge are required to operate the new machinery. If that technology is absurdly easy to operate, the labor to operate it will be cheap and rightfully so. It takes almost nothing to push a button. The more complexity there is to operating the machinery, the more expensive the labor becomes to operate it. It all balances out apparently (some jobs became so easy that the wages to perform it dropped, some jobs became so difficult that the wages to perform it rose. Depending on the ratio and levels of difficulty, the overall average wages could have remained the same.)

 

what the whining is all about isn't that the poor in the u.s. are starving waifs, it's that they don't have enough luxury for the standard of living we are all supposed to expect. this is the new american dream, where simply breathing the air here is supposed to have the magical quality of enriching everyone. we are all supposed to have flying cars, sip champagne and nibble caviar from the breasts of nubile young starlets.

 

Wait just one minute! Are you suggesting that a salary be contingent on the skill required to perform it?!?! BLASPHEMY! THAT IS NOT FAIR SIR! EVERYONE should make a wage that allows them to have a family, a house, two cars, four televisions, internet access, a cat, a dog, healthcare for the entire family AND THE PETS... am I forgetting anything?

I am, of course, being sarcastic.

 

as far as i'm concerned, any owner who pays their employee below the $14/hr poverty line deserves to be taxed at 40%.

 

Your entire post, as you have presented it, and in it's current form, is nothing more than your opinion. If you would be so kind, would you please provide evidence to substantiate your allegation of the "absolute tyranny of wealthy people who do as they please and exploit everyone and everything for profit."

What specifically is the evidence to support your assertion?

 

That is your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it. I disagree. I do not believe that because one person has more than another person, society has the right to mandate that the person with more give to the person with less. I do not believe that because someone is wealthy, that by default, they obtained that wealth in a way that was unfair, unjust, or immoral.

 

Then don't complain when, if, one day the rich in this country are put up against a wall by the majority.
Currently, the majority of Americans living in poverty are the working poor.

 

Really? So your solution for ensuring fairness is to line those who have what you want up against a wall, shoot them, then take what they have?

When you refer to the working poor, do you mean the poor people in America who have a higher standard of living than the majority of the world?

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Well Mr Internet Tough Guy, I suppose you could TRY and line people up and shoot them. I don't believe you would succeed though. I have much more faith in the majority of good people in the United States, and I sincerely doubt they will let you.

But, I suppose you could still try....