Is it ethical to steal from hectomillionaires?

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Is it ethical to steal from hectomillionaires?

  1. No -- and I do not.

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  2. No -- but I need music, films, and books.

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  3. Yes -- but I do not.

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  4. Yes -- and I need music, films, and books.

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  1. BillRM

    BillRM Well-Known Member

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    It is too bad that the writers of the constitution did not define limited time and so far it is being let up to congress the best congress money can buy as the courts sadly had refused to hear the issue.
     
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    Yes indeed after a certain amount of time copyright works will become works in the public domain and that had been always the case.

    Now patents on everything from electronic to meds also will come into the public domain after a fix numbers of years and at the moment I think the terms is 17 years.

    Note our founding fathers had a large numbers of both authors and inventors in their ranks so that is the likely reason they had it place in the constitution itself.
     
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    The artist that had been dead for decades before his or her copyright would end even in the old days before the copyright law was extended?
     
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    Do you have a link about the copy right law was extended, I didn't know about this but I do know we have treatys with countries around the world..

    Us and Great Britain, it's like 75 years after their death ...something like that
     
  5. Bluesguy

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    Property is inherited in our free society you have no claim to others.
     
  6. BillRM

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    No that is not how it work or had ever work as far as copyright is concern.

    Right now it is 70 years after the death of the author but look for that to keep being extended as old movies with special note of old Disney movies reach that time border.
     
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    Thanks for the link, informative...but I have a question what is your personal motive?

    I am still mad that the movie its a wonderful life used to be public domain and showed like 80 times between thanksgiving and Christmas in the 1980s and now it's only shown once .
     
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    As a book lover I have for example a problem with Asimov complete body of work of over 500 books some dating back to the 1930s still being completely cover by copyright.

    Or that long long after books being out of print and are no longer available they still can not be legally share due to copyright protection that benefit no one.

    One wonderful website in the EU with a large collection of out of print books for buying and downloading legally but they are not allow to sell to the US market as they do not have a US copyright owners permission only the EU copyright owners

    Then the very fact that the government wish to made me a criminal over books I had legally purchase for the crime of breaking copy protections so I can read them on any device I wish to and no longer need to have the fear that the book seller will go out of business ending my access to my books due to his DRM system and software not being available any longer.
     
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    Oh so this is all about electronic stuff your mad about? I kind of see your point the computer game axis and allies is no longer available and it should be under public domain.. (think risk) it's a huge monster of a game all we have now is boot leg copys
     
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    For myself it not games but books in electronic format such as PDF or epub.

    Love being able to have well over a thousand books in my pocket instead of on floor to ceiling book shelves at home.
     
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    I thought I was a good reader , I think that's why I loved and married my first wife because she loved to read..i can't read books on line, I need paper back copys so I can sit back and enjoy them..your a good person..
     
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    Other then the need to be very very careful when soaking in my large tub not to get my nook wet there seem little downside to my nook compare to a paperback book.

    The letter font on the nook can also be adjusted to meet the needs of my aging eyes.

    An having most of my library in my pocket with me instead of one paperback is also a big plus.

    Oh the battery even with my heavy use only need to be recharge every few weeks also.
     
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    I see no movement to extend it and I doubt your envy and greed is about to change it to shorten it.
     
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    Envy and greed would be my label for the Disney and other studios with their classical movie collections and their army of lobbies.

    Would you care to bet that Disney will not try one more time to extend copyright so the 2023 end of copyright for Mickey will not apply?

    We have the very best congress that money can buy after all.



     
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    No it applies to those who want to listen to free misic read their books for free and watch their shows for free and not compensate those who through their efforts create them.
     
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    You mean the people who been dead for up to seventy years?

    Never knew that there was some way to transfer funds to the afterlife.

    By the way howabout that bet on Disney once more extending or at least trying to extend the copyright one more time?
     
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    Maybe so. But hectomillionaires are not much effected by a monetary loss.
     
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    It does not matter who the victim is, or what the impact on the victim is, wrong is wrong.

    Honesty is an aspect of a persons moral character, and it is a reflection of the trustworthiness and reliability of the individual. When a person steals, it harms the persons personal character and her reputation within the community.

    And, by your argument, you reject the concept of equal justice, fairness, and the rule of law.
     
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    Equal justice and fairness for those able and more then willing to steal from the whole society by using lobbies to bribe congress to pass laws for their own benefits to the tune of tens of billions?

    Shame on those middle class people who do not honor such people legally stealing and some of whom then attempt to steal some of it back using technology instead of millions of dollars worth of lobbies.
     
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    I guess the ideal situation is in Scandinavia -- the Government taxes multimillionaires for most of their property. They still have much much more then they need. But mos of their income is paid as tax.

    The State then uses taxes to help poor people.
     
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    Buying favouritism is not "equal justice and fairness".

    You have the role of the law backwards. The law can be corrupted. Equal justice is a concept which is a guiding principle which is reflected in the written law, it supersedes the written law.
     
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    That is not at all equal justice and fairness. Your understanding of the US Constitution and its underlying principles, including the writing of people such as Hobbes and Locke, is horribly inadequate.
     
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    Sadly, 44 million American citizens who have Disability including me do not have opportunities other people have. I have Moderate Autism and Moderate Depression.
     
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    Huh that's out right left and who is to judge if someone has more then they need?
     

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