Is it time to re-introduce mass incarceration?

the drug war was often used to mass incarnate based on race - this leads to more crime in the long run

there is also a recent rise in crime by people thinking it's racist to call out bad behavior of certain races or defending bad behavior as it's against a certain race\minority, and both blacks and whites are guilty of this

 

Actually it is. We tried this in the 90's and the crime rate went down.

 

Actually that might work if we paid Somalia to take our criminals. However I'm sure some NGO will smuggle them right back here.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_drop

 

this suffers under the concept that humans are genuinely good they are not. Spend enough time around a three year old and you'll find out that humans are not good. I don't think they're inherently bad either they're just what they are it is the fact that we live in a society that makes people have to behave some people choose not to and I think yes discipline and home life do play a role but it's not the only Factor.

 

I see you agree with me now!

"In the United States, for example, violent crime rates have fallen by over 50% in many major U.S. cities since these rates peaked in the early 1990s, often referred to as the "Great Crime Decline"

Glad to see that when you are presented with facts, you'll change your mind.

 

You didn't read the whole thing.

Let me give you a hint, look for where it says 5%..

 

Let me give you a hint, if you have an argument, make it.

 

You are trying to debate, a whole other topic, onto itself; and you are ignoring the facts, referenced in my post. I wonder if those two things, could be related?

"Culturally aligned," as they may have already been, their crime rate was nothing, with which Germans were content. Therefore, they embarked upon the transformation in their penal system, to place more emphasis on rehabilitation, and voila, their results, as I understand, have been dramatically positive. So, logically, the affect on results could only have come, from their new approach. As German "culture," has presumably remained fairly stable, there is no reason to see that, as some excluding factor, in the results. That is, just because we have more diversity, supposedly, in the U.S., would not appear to make any difference, because we would not be competing against the Germans, in this, but against ourselves; a reduction in recidivism, and an increase of ex-cons living as productive members of our society, as compared to those benchmarks from our own history, would clearly be a positive development, would it not?

We have tried the "lock everybody up," road, & it has shown itself to do as much, if not more, harm, than good. Let us not allow so much fruitful potential, of our citizens' vital energies, to go down the drain, as casually as if Republicans were only pushing towards taking another run at "Trickle Down Economics," with the argument that the only reason we aren't basking in the success of that theory, at present, is that we were too hasty to give up on it, after only a dozen years.

 

Unlike early Africa, we have to feed and house them. We can’t sell them as slaves.

Secondly, I don’t care how many people we put in prison. We need safety first.

 

not sure what that comment was about, the slave owner genes are where all the bad genes in the USA came from, regardless of one's race, slave owners were bad people, rich, raped and got away with it, they had no empathy at all

 

You asked and I answered. The world that is now is now. Deal with it.

 

Yes, a child is subject to the environment, but all children will naturally evolve towards higher states of consciousness if given a reasonably stress free & supportive environment.

I'm a big fan of the "quiet time" program at schools. I agree that the world is a bit of a mess in terms of priorities.

 

no they don't naturally evolve just state of conscientiousness that is enlightenment stuff that must be taught. They have to learn to control their nature.

That's the entirety of what society is controlling your nature to live within a set of guidelines. To completely discount social development as part of human psyche is to ignore reality.

Take a child that lives in a very undisciplined home disciplining a child feels bad and makes you feel bad because you're denying your child what they want. You do it so that they will be a functioning member of society. It most certainly does not happen naturally. That's why I'm supervised kids are the ones who tend to grow up to be the people with criminal records or being victims of various things later to be victimizers.

I'm not sure what quiet time program you're referring to so I can't really comment on that. I googled it and there's hundreds of things that fit that title.

As far as schools go I think they're outdated they're incompetent and irrelevant at this point and they need to take a new approach. I'm not sure about various schools of thought on this I've looked into the Montessori program I don't know enough about it to say whether I think it's good or not. All I know is our school curriculum is based on garbage from the 1940s when we needed factory workers and that's why punctuality and order and all of these other archaic disciplinary concepts aren't working anymore they aren't appropriate for life in our country anymore.

 

I believe it basically says they looked at me funny, now give me my money!

 

Black politicians begged for the 'War On Drugs', there was a major heroin epidemic raging in black neighborhoods since the 1950's; then when it turns out a lot of the violent drug criminals in black neighborhoods were, you know, BLACK, they then began sniveling about black criminals getting arrested, same as they do now, which is why only idiots pay attention to anything they claim.

 

No the weren’t any more than fat people or smokers are today. You can’t put today’s mores on yesteryear’s problems.

 

slave owner genes are bad news, rape was not even acceptable then, it was just that there slaves could not get justice

 

Much like Switzerland in the gun debate not a fair comparison. Denmark is a prosperous, small country with a homogenous population and little of the social ills the US has.

 

We are prosperous.

Being large doesn't matter. It works, or it doesn't, and what a lot of countries do in Europe works a lot better than what we do..

Now what could homogeneous mean? Oh, silly me, it means we can't have nice things because Black people...

Next time, at least try.

 

Where did I say I'm for 'lock everybody up'? That's right, I didn't. To me, that's shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

The only solution is to address root cause. Waiting til the individuals are already so damaged that crime seems a good choice, is too little too late. And it's CULTURE which prevents that happening. A culture of answerability, obligation, and zero tolerance.

 

Homogeneity has nothing to do with the colour of your skin. Bizarre that you thought it did .. and telling.

But if you genuinely don't know what it means .. it means aligned BEHAVIOUR.

 

Children need to learn how to cope with the ordinary 'stress' of productivity. If they can't learn that at home .. via chores and obligations .. they're going to find working life very difficult.

"Supportive" means different things to different people. To a NE Asian parent it means discipline and education. To a Western Progressive it means validating their child's every passing emotion.

 

So your preference is a bandaid today, rather than reduce the much great number of potential fallen people tomorrow?

Can I ask what could possibly motivate that, other than a preference for it to be 'easy'?

 

"A zero-tolerance policy is one which imposes a punishment for every infraction of a stated rule.[1][2][3] Zero-tolerance policies forbid people in positions of authority from exercising discretion or changing punishments to fit the circumstances subjectively; they are required to impose a pre-determined punishment regardless of individual culpability, extenuating circumstances, or history. This pre-determined punishment, whether mild or severe, is always meted out." Wiki

Sounds like mass incarceration to me...