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I see nothing where people who were eligible to vote were denied to vote. Of course, you have to PROVE you are actually eligible to vote in order to vote.

 

Everyone has ID's. If you are eligible to vote then you must PROVE that you are eligible to vote. To claim that blacks don't have ID's is just a myth.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/cnn-...lying-documents-are-hard-to-get-many-are-free

https://www.dailywire.com/news/75-o...d-to-know-about-the-election-integrity-debate

https://thecitizen.com/2021/04/12/democrats-insult-millions-of-blacks-who-have-photo-ids/

https://www.worldtribune.com/jim-crow-2-0-polls-find-blacks-strongly-support-voter-id/

 

I'm a senior in Alabama how is my vote being suppressed as your link claims? I'd like to know before I cast my vote here in about 30 minutes.
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Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

H. L. Mencken

 

And who forces these 'struggling to vote' individuals to remain in such inconvenient locations, and to stay in jobs where there is no latitude for important appointments etc? Can you explain what law compels it?

 

Same here. Plus we have queues going around the block because our booths are few and far between. And we're in an affluent area.

 

Walked right in there were three people in front of me with 4 check in's got my ballot in about 5 minutes, sat down and filled out, there were two people in front of me for the scanner was in and out in 10 minutes.

AND THEY MOVED MY POLLING PLACE I FEEL SO SUPPRESSED!!!!!!!!!!!

YES how dare those evil Republicans they moved my polling place all to try and suppress my vote and I feel so oppressed now I'll have to have an extra Tullamore D.E.W. tonight just to sleep!!!

 

You have it good!

What I can't understand is the petulant babies who gripe if they have to walk ten minutes to the booth, then wait in line for a while. Why on earth do they feel so entitled? I'd LOVE to be able to walk to my booth. To not have to get the car out, not have to deal with traffic, not have to find parking, not have to spend money on gas, etc. The sense of entitlement is bizarre to me.

 

No more than going to the store or the doctor of to school or to some other government office it is not a "hoop" as in some burden that is not common in ones life. There is no excuse for not having proper identification and if you cannot take the care and concern to make sure you are properly registered and able to identify yourself don't cry about how you are being suppressed. To NOT want proper ID in order to vote is absurd it is a proper common sense voting integrity requirement.

Even the UN voting monitors were surprised it is not a nationwide requirement.

U.N. Poll Watchers Baffled U.S. Doesn't Require I.D. to Vote

Those of us who thought U.N election observers would be completely worthless or unhelpful today, were wrong. U.N. observers are expressing their surprise at how much trust Americans put into the election system without verification and cannot believe Voter I.D. isn't a national requirement to vote.
"It's an incredible system," said Nuri K. Elabbar, who traveled to the United States along with election officials from more than 60 countries to observe today's presidential elections as part of a program run by the International Foundation for Electoral Systems (IFES). Your humble Cable guy visited polling places with some of the international officials this morning. Most of them agreed that in their countries, such an open voting system simply would not work.

The most often noted difference between American elections among the visitors was that in most U.S. states, voters need no identification. Voters can also vote by mail, sometimes online, and there's often no way to know if one person has voted several times under different names, unlike in some Arab countries, where voters ink their fingers when casting their ballots.

The international visitors also noted that there's no police at U.S. polling stations. In foreign countries, police at polling places are viewed as signs of security; in the United States they are sometimes seen as intimidating.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...-baffled-us-doesnt-require-id-to-vote-n695241

 

Can you point to me where the Constitution says that unless voting is absolutely effortless and insures the voter has to do NOTHING to make sure they can vote where they are trying to vote and must be coddled by the government throughout the process? That voting must be by the honor system.

 

3 of your links are extreem far right and one is "only" right.

Brennan Center is Left-Center not nearly as biased as your links.

 

Where does The Constitution say it must be as difficult as possible, especially for Americans of minimal means?

 

I asked you first

Can you point to me where the Constitution says that unless voting is absolutely effortless and insures the voter has to do NOTHING to make sure they can vote where they are trying to vote and must be coddled by the government throughout the process? That voting must be by the honor system.

Those asserted Jim Crow laws, looks like voting will be double to triple the turnout over the last election which was a Presidential election not a midterm.

 

Spare me according to the Brennan Center the government must place a state office within 10 miles of every citizens else it is voter suppression. Yet they produce no evidence of any meaningful suppression of anyone's vote due to voter ID.

"The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:

• Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.
• More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.
• 1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.
• Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.

More than 1 million eligible voters in these states fall below the federal poverty line and live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. "
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

So these poor helpless people never travel more than 10 miles from their homes and why if they can get to a government office to register can't they get to one to get an ID? Of course they provide nothing to back up their claims that Hispanic and Black voters are so helpless compared to Whites and Asians and cannot take responsibility for their own lives and most have the government coddle them.

 

My point is it doesn't say either of those things.

But, IMHO, voting should be as inclusive as possible. The right realizes they're a ever less popular faction. So they make voting less inclusive and difficult.

 

In my state you are automatically registered when you get your driver's license or State ID. EVERY State, Municipal Building and Public Library are drop off locations for ballots. We have high voter turnout and low voting fraud.
As it should be.

 

Yes it is a state matter not a federal.

What's not inclusive about voting no one is prevented from voting. IMHO voting should only be about those who are willing to take the time and effort to get themselves registered and have their proper ID and are of their own gumption to go and vote and not have to be pressure or cajoled or talked into doing it. They make the best most informed voters. Getting people just because they are living and breathing to vote as a means to good government is folly.

 

We don't have any of that and have high turnouts and no fraud and quick results with not counting going on for weeks and weeks. It took me ten minutes to vote during my routine outing today. My ballot was handed directly to me, I filled it out in secret, a ran it through the tabulating machine and it was recorded without anyone else touching it nor my name or anything about me associated with it recorded.

 

It's a primary. It won't be that smooth in the general.

There's nothing wrong with voting in the privacy of your home and dropping your ballot in the mail or a drop box.

 

The pandemic contributed to the slowness and a lot of dumb rules didn't help.

 

What are you talking about? Oh, wait, I get it: the old upward redefinition fallacy. Good one.

 

Why? The government already knows who you are, where you live, and what you had for breakfast.

Right: one you made up.

 

You have to have ID's to get benefits.

 

Trump wanted prices higher, now we got it, thanks Trump, he was right, this is GREAT for the oil and gas industry, course it SUCKS for consumers

Trump lowered supply during Covid, now that demand is picking up, supply is not there

 

Apparently, not everyone has an ID that's acceptable for voting.

SO! IF ID's, are required by law, to vote, then part of the law should be a provision enabling voters to get one. Part of getting the ID should voter registration. It should be tied to a data base that tracks residency, and moves so their precinct is always known. And when they die so they can be purged from voting rolls. Signatures should be on the ID and aquired as part of obtaining the ID so that mail in ballots can be verified by signature. And an advertising budget should be included to inform everyone how it works.

All of that should be required of any voter ID law. Not just some half-assed attempt that leaves people confused.