Is this website making America better?

AKA being held hostage and terrorized by the nefarious "gun culture".

 

this is what I like about this site too, both parties are allowed to give their opinions, we often disagree, and that is ok

 

some dems wore vagina hats, some republicans wore tea bag hats, to each their own

both sides have violent members, that fake crimes, commit crimes, ect...

"Trump: ‘I am a whiner, and I keep whining and whining until I win’"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ald-trumps-morning-media-blitz/?noredirect=on

"I do whine because I want to win, and I'm not happy about not winning, and I am a whiner, and I keep whining and whining until I win," - Trump

 

I knew I was going to get piles of anecdotal and agenda driven crap like this in reply.

 

Don't post opinions with no basis in reality that can be easily and overwhelmingly refuted.

 

The only places people feel imprisoned in the US are places that have gun control and high crime, like Miami and Chicago.

Meanwhile, in Sweden:
"Shock Poll: Half of Swedish Women Afraid to go Outside Alone in Some Areas

Fresh statistics in from Sweden show that 47% of women in the county of Örebro are afraid of walking outside alone in the evening, this according to Folkhälsomyndigheten, a branch of the government dealing with people’s health.

Almost half of women aged 16-84 say that they have often, or sometimes, avoided going out alone for fear of being assaulted, sexually assaulted, raped or robbed. This is a 6% increase in just five years."

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...men-afraid-to-go-outside-alone-in-some-areas/

Do I need to mention that Sweden has very strict gun control laws?

 

1. Americans are not held hostage by anyone.
If you feel held hostage by gun rights then you HAVE to feel held hostage by drunk drivers.
Maybe you just dont understand what being a hostage means.

2. Othet countries don't have the same freedoms we do, not even close.

So no not knee jerk denial.

Just pointing out that you are flat out wrong and that you are propgating untruths for the purposes of gaining political power over others.

 

That guy is dead.

 

Wrong, again...

You are caged when you have no ability to defend yourself.

In fact, mass shootings happen because we are mostly an unarmed society.

 

Highly IRONIC PROJECTION on your part!

Americans are being held hostage by the gun culture that is terrorizing them. The STARK EVIDENCE of that can be seen in the video from Times Square with people FLEEING at the thought of another Mass Killer with an AR15 in their midst.



We the People intend to OVERTHROW the nefarious political power of the NRA and the firearms industry since they have stolen our freedoms and that is a TRUTH that you cannot admit is happening in spite of the evidence of your own eyes.

Finally you are FLAT OUT WRONG about other nations because they DO have the same freedoms as we have.

 

Hmmm. Try to preach homosexuality as sin in Colorado.

Try saving the life of your son in the UK.

We aren't hostages we are chicken ****

We need a prepared society ready to run towards gun fire with intent. Not run away from it in fear.

It's a choice to live in fear.

And thanks for letting us know you hate the constitution.

 

Communication is always a good thing. Even if very few are actually listening.

 

I've said before and I'll say again -- I don't care if it takes a MONTH for a person to be background-checked for purchase of a firearm! Let the process take as long as necessary to make sure that "criminals and crazies" don't buy them OR possess them. But, I cannot agree that a person should be criminalized because somebody robbed him or committed burglary to take his legally-owned firearms. That would truly be victimizing the victim to charge the owner with a crime just because some criminal stole from him!

I don't like the idea of "amnesty" in connection with any of this, Te. If we're going to make fundamental changes to gun ownership in this country, we need to cut deep, hard, and fast! I'm not meaning that we should send out the "shock-troops", but we should make it loud and clear that any convicted felon (for ANY crime) must (MUST) surrender all firearms AND ammuntion to the nearest police department or, if found to still be in possession of either, they'll automatically be sent to prison for a mandatory term of FIVE YEARS. No weepy sob-stories, no 'amnesty', no 'do-overs' -- just ZERO-TOLERANCE!

Same thing with anyone who has been prescribed psychotropic drugs or any drug that the medical community agrees can cause people to become dangerous and mentally unstable. Surrender the weapons and the ammo or go to an 'institution', which may or may not be a prison.

Here's the thing, Te... and we should be able to agree on this if nothing else -- we have to get firearms out of the hands of "criminals and crazies", or, we have to sequester the "criminals and crazies" under lock-and-key so that they cannot be a continuing danger to the rest of society! We have to make the punishment for noncompliance so draconian and dreadful that it will literally scare the hell out of everyone and FORCE all of us to obey the law, or face mandatory imprisonment (or incarceration of some kind).

You will probably say that all this will cost too much, and that we could not afford it. NOT NECESSARILY. We can build 'incarceration compounds' (call them "concentration camps") which are not built like 'country clubs' or 'soft-time' prisons. No. Model them against the harsh standards of prisoner-of-war camps and NOBODY is going to want to be there for even one day -- let alone for five years! Bottom line -- when you make the punishment sufficiently horrible, the "criminals and crazies" WILL obey or rot in a harsh prison! There are 7.8 billion people on this planet, Te... we can easily do without the "criminals and crazies"!

But, again and again, the answer is not to take legally-purchased, legally-owned firearms away from law-abiding, normal citizens of the United States!

 

I doubt their is another person in the world that could withstand the withering attacks made on Trump.... every hour of every day. Just look at the political cartoons posted by our friends on the other side, the ongoing coup d'etat. Obama would have been curled up under his desk half way thru the first day had he suffered a tenth of what Trump does. Trump hits back when attacked,, that another reason why we support him.. by hitting back, he is not only defend himself and his.. he is defending all of his supporters too. I was very disappointed in Bush never defending us.

 

I post here to support those with like minds.. the totalitarian socialist types will possibly never realize the insanity of their positions, but the sane need to know that they are not alone. So I'm voting yes.. people need to know they are not alone in their fight for freedom from oppression by the Left.

 

Thanks for the laughs.

 

No one is advocating depriving law abiding citizens of their rights, Cy.

What happens on EVERY OCCASION when we try to impose DRACONIAN LAWS on We the People?

Prohibition gave rise to the Mafia!

The asinine War on Drugs has turned the nation into a drug dealer's shooting range.

Guess what will happen when you do the same thing with GUNS?

Not every problem is a NAIL and we have more than just a HAMMER to solve this problem.

The REASON for offering INCENTIVES is to REMOVE GUNS from circulation.

I have no problem imposing a TAX on firearms manufacturers that will provide subsides to gun owners to install gun safes in their homes. That is an INCENTIVE to keep firearms out of reach of criminals.

Where are the majority of illegal firearms? The inner city, right? There are a LOT of innocent people there who would be only too happy to get rid of those guns in their neighborhoods. Give them an INCENTIVE and that will give law enforcement the information they need to take those guns OFF the streets.

Draconian measures will have the exact OPPOSITE effect of what you want. Positive measures will be EFFECTIVE.

Churchill said that Americans will do the RIGHT THING but only after trying and FAILING at doing ALL of the WRONG things first. Isn't it about time we learned from our past mistakes?

 

I was wondering why there wasn't more armed citizens carrying that day, then I remembered.. El Paso.. a demo bastion in a sea of free Americans

 

Clearly you enjoy the oppression by the right more than the oppression from the left..

 

There is a bigger picture here. It is a culture of fear. Both of our political parties push the perception of fear and the media sells it to us perfectly. Sadly too many of us buy into it.

Nobody is literally held hostage. There is a big difference between reacting to a perceived threat and living in constant fear.

The NRA isn't the problem. The fact that they wield so much political clout over republicans is. The climate change industry isn't a problem. It's the clout they wield over the democratic party through fear that is a problem.

We have been convinced by both sides that we live in a constant state of threat and we suck it up from the media faster than hogs at the trough.

Fear is a great sales strategy. Even greater than sex. Our political system is using fear to convince us that we need them more than they need us. That is the point where we loose all control.

Perception is reality, as long as we choose to live in our fears we continue to create a fearful reality. Living in fear is a choice.

 

I post here to try to gain understanding and get those of unlike views to listen and consider the other side. I prefer clarity over agreement. We need more clarity and less half truths.

 

Er... What?

 

Fear SELLS GUNS which is why the NRA pushes it so hard!

While you make a valid point about living in fear that does not apply to all of us.

The Bush jr regime tried to exploit the threat of terrorism in order to terrorize the nation into supporting their nefarious agenda. While it worked to a certain degree the PT Barnum principle applied that you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. Some of us refused to allow ourselves to be terrorized for a partisan political agenda that ended up greatly harming We the People.

Unfortunately we were the MINORITY!

So that fearmongering perception works for a MAJORITY and that is why politicians are SHAMELESS when it comes to exploiting it. Just look at the BLOTUS during his rallies. He pushes the fear buttons and his supporters swallow it without any vestige of critical thought.

We are not a nation given to introspection and deep thought. Instead we have the idiot box that spews feelgood pablum while selling us crap that is drowning the planet in toxic pollutants.

So yes, we are being held hostage and in more ways than just one. The FEAR of losing your job.The FEAR of not having the money to pay your bills. The FEAR of having a bad credit rating. The FEAR of some gun nut opening fire in a shopping mall or school or house of worship. Those fears hold the majority of our nation hostage and it is not going to change in the near future.

 

Absolutely fear sells guns. That fear comes from both sides. The right sells that we need guns for protection. Every time you see a push from the left for any kind of gun control sales go up.

We are the minority in a system where majority (in theory) rules. Fear keeps the majority intact.

The being held hostage is self imposed. It is a choice even if it be an unconscious one. As you said "We are not a nation given to introspection and deep thought". We have become a society of instant gratification easily manipulated by mass media and technology. It appears to me that we have not yet acquired the level of responsibility necessary to live in an advanced civilization. Our tribal instincts are still too strong.

 

The way I see it is that we are still an adolescent nation when compared to the adult nations of the EU.

We allow our raging hormones to overpower our ability to think clearly and to make sound choices. Instead we emote and react accordingly. That is what makes it so easy for politicians and advertisers to manipulate us.

We are not going to grow up because there is always someone willing to pander to our emotions and tell us that we are the "bestest nayshun ina wurld" and we can't do anything wrong. We can have all the military toys we want and use them to bully the rest of the world into playing by our made up rules that always favor ourselves.

I don't know how much longer this will last but the bill is going to come due and when it does there will be a temper tantrum such as the world has never seen before. It won't be pretty but maybe we will eventually grow up and reach adulthood.