Is Trump guilty of suborning perjury?

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    I doubt that Mueller would have ever commented on the Buzzfeed article unless it has already become an important part of his investigation. That seems to have eluded Trump bumpers.
    After listening to Rudy today on this topic , the strategy is apparent. Just throw as much fake news into the pot and pray it cancels everything out in a hung jury. It worked for OJ. The repugnants out number the Dens in the Senate with the smartest being dullard Susan Collins. They all can be bought....so Trump is feeling good from that stand point.
    Heck, he’s used to the fire. Even his kids would impeach him if they weren’t so afraid of being taken out of the will.
     
  2. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, Growth is the little picture month by month, inflation growth rate is the overall trend. :roll:
     
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    Then no need to make any comment.
     
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    What part of inaccurate escapes your grasp? The spin cycle on my washing has nothing on you.
     
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    So Mueller is lying?
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    It is to laugh when people who are trying desperately to redefine 'inaccurate' to mean accurate accuse others of being unable to think. Your cake has been eaten. You cannot have it anymore, because it us no longer cake it is crap.
     
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    You posted nothing Germane to the topic at hand, ergo you deflected.
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We will see who is spinning....

    But have a question for you....
    Clearly you think trump did not instruct any of several people to lie on the topic of trump tower moscow. Do you think think he would not do such a thing, or that although he might do that, he did not.... and that the mueller letter confirms there is no evidence that he did this?
     
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    Trump’s “as guilty” as OJ.
     
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    So no charges is what you are saying.
     
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    Not quite. Growth rate is the slope of the lines between any two data points. The steeper the slope, the greater the rate of change .
    Actual wage rate of change under Trump are negative.....
    Trend ? Not really .

    What has increased over Obama is the deficit. It’s up to a trillion, nearly double Obama’s last year. Obama dropped the deficit by half from Bush . So in one year, Trump signed a bill that took us back to the Great Recession first year. That was our infrastructure money gone bye bye. But that’s OK. We only talk about huge deficits when repugnants are out of office. .
     
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    Obama dropped the deficit by half from his own deficit. The FY2009 budget was prepared by the democratic house and approved by Obama in March 2009 which is after Obama became president.
     
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    That’s Trump’s plan. We’re going to find out whose better. Mueller or Marsha Clark. The difference is, OJ had friends, Trump is surrounded by lying, and stealing criminals and murderous thugs are his best friends.
     
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    Why would you tell some one to lie about something that is not only perfectly legal but six months or so DOA at the time of the questioning?
     
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    He dropped the deficit every year from Bush. Trump has nearly doubled Obamas last year with this recent budget. And, it’s still projected to go higher.
    Blue Dem....red repugnant.

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    Otoh, why would cohen and others commit perjury for no reason? Why not just tell the truth?

    For that matter... we have videos of trump dening that he knew anything about payouts to the floozies. (Also a legal action) We now know that he did know.... so trump lied about something legal.... presumably because he found this legal payment to be embatassing. Given that people had accused trump of collusion with the russians, and given that trump had denied having anything at all to do with the russians as a way of deflection.... perhaps trump would feel that exposing the (legal) details of this deal would cause him extrme embarrassment given his repeated denials of ANY involvement with russia
     
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    Catching Trump lying only requires you have him tuned in on the TV or the volume on a radio he’s speaking on turned up.
    There are no other special requirements including tapping.
     
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    You can’t find any anything any where that supports your continual dumb assertion that a president does not operate under the constraints of the previous fiscal year of the previous budget. Your foolish assertion that he can over spend in the previous budget is fantasy. All a president can do us ask monies in a supplemental budget which is then carried over into his next fiscal year. You must never have taken an economics Class. This is how Bush did not have a larger deficits then he did, buy spending on wars with supplemental budgets.
     
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    By your logic. The Bush deficit increased by an averaged of about 0.03 Trillion per month from Oct 2007 through September 2008. And then he increased the defict increase to 0.4 Trillion per month from Oct 2008 through the middle of January 2009. That would have been over a ten fold increase for those three and a half months. Then Obama did not increase the deficit at all for eight and a half months. And then suddenly Obama increased the deficit at the rate of about about .11 Trillion a month for FY 2010.

    In other words, Bush would have had to increase the rate of deficit increase by a factor of over ten for those remaining three and a half months in FY2009.

    Nope. The FY2009 deficit belonged solely to Obama. It was prepared by a democratic house and signed by Obama. No one else.

    I just did. The FY2009 budget was not prepared until after Obama took office.
     
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    Bush budget goes till October 2009, it’s called, the bush budget EVERYWHERE. Don’t Show your ignorance. The new legislature isnt even sworn in, they can’t be operating in a budget of their own the first day....what dribble,
    Keep repeating it without a reference what so ever, Obama ir any president CANNOT Overspend on the previous budget without asking for supplemental spending. and once approved it goes into HIS next budget as a deficit, that’s why ALL CHARTS SHOW 2009 in red.
    Mr, scientist who diesnt know math..,
    Definition of supplemental spending....the only way a president can get additional funds beyound the previous fiscal year.
    supplemental appropriation. Additional budget authority provided for activities or requirements too urgent to be delayed until the next periodic or regular appropriation.
     
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    From October 2008 through February 2009, the government was operating on a continuing resolution. Meaning, they had severe spending limits until Obama started spending like a drunken sailor in March 2009.
     
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    Keep telling yourself that while you find some one to bail you out. Anything Obama Spent beyound any limits imposed by the previous budget is called “supplemental spending”. It goes into his first fiscal year budget of 2010.
    Get off your butt and look up what supplimebtals are. This is why you jokers fk everything up. You live in la la land.

    Now you’ll have to admit that Trumos first year that he braggs abiut, was under the Obama budget till October, it’s listed that way everywhere. Did you ever operate a business ?.
     
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    The FY2009 deficit was spent by Obama, pure and simple.
    In Trump's first year, the deficit was 0.67 trillion as opposed to Obama's first year of 1.4 trillion. And our government is overspending. Now just like with Obama.
     
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    It’s worse then you think..if you are.
    • FY 2009 - $1.632 trillion. This was Bush's deficit without the impact of the Economic Stimulus Act.
    The stimulus went under Obama's budget. He had to pay that, two wars Bush started and unemployment benefits to all the unemployed from the Bush recession.

    Spend money ? Sure....to get out if a recession and rebuild the economy


    REPUBLICANS ARE THE KINGS OF RECESSIONS.
     
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    Sure...over spending on unemployment benefits Medicare and Social security, two wars and the stimulus package..
    It worked...Trump inherited a thriving ecnomy.
     
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