Is Trump impeached yet?

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  1. Bluesguy

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    What are you talking about, it's not a debatable fact that he did so. He submitted a false affidavit and suborned the perjury of another person and tampered with a potential witness in the a federal court proceeding along with his own giving false and misleading testimony.
     
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    :applause: dude... Good show

    I remember the impeachment talks and the passes the leftist all gave Clinton. They tried to turn it all back on Ken Star.
     
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    It would take time, but I am sure I could find video of any number of Dem/liberal pundits/congressmen/senators that made the same argument.

    Here's the debate in the house:
    http://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/20/u...inal-debate-impeaching-president-clinton.html
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    The appropriate historical parallel in Trump's case is with Nixon, of course.

     
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    Doesn't matter. Perjury and Obstruction aren't impeachable offenses - or so day the Dems.

    Why would they change their minds?
     
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    The grand jury did not indict Nixon nor did any court find he obstructed justice or committed a crime.
     
  7. tres borrachos

    tres borrachos Well-Known Member

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    I don't hate Trump. I don't even know him. I can't hate someone I don't know. I never hated a politician I didn't know.

    I wish he wasn't President, and I find him to be vulgar, rude, crass, crude, and ignorant.

    I do blame my party for Trump. I blame the morons who voted for him in the primaries, and I blame the RNC for not putting a stop to him, and I blame Paul Ryan for kissing his ass, especially considering all of the vile, horrific things Trump said about him.
     
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    Equaling the two candidates is exactly how many of us felt. I and probably a whole lot of others would have voted for almost anyone except Clinton against Trump. The reverse is true also, voting for almost any other Republican against Clinton. What you fail to realize is how much both of these candidates were detested by a majority of Americans. Quite a lot of folks did choose to vote for whom they considered the lesser of two evils, you perhaps. Or the least worst, least horrible candidate. Outside of both candidates core supporters, no one liked these two.

    I also know several Republicans that would love to see Trump gone, the sooner the better. It is perhaps a selfish want or love, they are afraid Trump will lead them to a humongous defeat in the midterms. I think they are right. My animus is irrational, I think your like and voting for her was completely irrational. Because the Democrats nominated her against the wishes of the majority of Americans is one of the main reasons Trump is president. But that was the Democrats right, they choose whom they wanted and as far as I am concerned, they are presently reaping the benefits of that choice.

    If you or the Democrats had either made a better choice or listened to America as a whole, Trump would never be president.
     
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    'I blame the RNC for not putting a stop to him'. Holy shiznit BATMAN. Were you asleep? What do you think the whole 'Never Trump' phrase came from? There were candidates willing to forfeit States to other candidates, just to make sure Trump didn't make the magic number.(It ultimately didn't matter since a few couldn't win their own states(Rubio for example lost Florida if memory serves.)

    Where the RNC failed, is that the Never Trump Republicans could not endorse one major candidate, and have the others drop out(that was the other argument), and it ultimately came down to Ted Cruz of all people(Yeah, he's a religious Trump-lite. Smart as hell, but his religious convictions literally became his policy. His site was as barren as Trump's.)

    I will say this: If the Never Trumpers rallied behind Rubio, I do believe he could've had a resurgance(and he had a strong showing after New Hampshire.) The mainstay Republicans have themselves to blame for not backing a traditional candidate until WAY too late. Ambitions overtook practical reality.
     
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    tres borrachos Well-Known Member

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    I was a #NeverTrumper who voted for Marco Rubio in the New Hampshire primary. See my ballot attached. Not sure why you think I wasn't in tune with what went on.
     

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    Because you blamed the RNC for 'not putting a stop to him', when they did everything they could(ineffectively I might add but still) short of banning the guy lol.
     
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    Wow, practical proof that if you voted using this ballot for Rubio in the primary that you did
    not support Trump in the general election.

    BTW, taking a picture inside a polling station in many states is illegal.

    It used to be illegal in NH.
     
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    As I have repeatedly noted, I was not happy with either party's nominee, but am capable of assessing the relative merits of the two. That 65,853,516 Americans opted for Clinton, 2,868,691 more than for Trump, indicates that I was far from alone in that discernment. In any event, we have the spectacle of Trump as a reality, and both Clintonphiles and Clintonphobes have their imaginary President Hillarys to fulfill their relative needs. If you are able to fancy a Clinton administration as disastrous for the nation as is Trump's, there is nothing to prevent your doing so.
     
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    To me, it's about the intent. Taking a picture of one's own vote, doesn't violate the integrity of the election in anyway. In today's world of selfies, it should be expected. No one's going to prosecute her for taking a picture of her ballot. Now if she took a picture of other people's ballots and intimidated them, that's another story.
     
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    It had everything to do with the Trump administration, especially since Trump was aware of
    his dealings with the Russians and Trump kept it to himself and from other members of his
    administration.

    Such as the vice president.
     
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    Please actually read the information supplied and my statements relative to same.
    One you do this, you can apologize for being wrong.
     
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    It used to be illegal. The NH Supreme Court changed it.

    I didn't support Trump in the General Election. I voted for Gary Johnson. See attached.
     

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    The release of the information wasn't the DNC's fault (well, actually it kinda was).

    What the information revealed was entirely the DNCs and Clinton's fault.

    If they weren't such scumbags the hack could have actually helped them.
     
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    He was pardoned by the guy he appointed before it reached trial.
     
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    Mueller is still working on his investigation.

    In fact he has just barely even gotten started.

    Then after the investigation which could take years it goes to a House and to a Senate committee.
     
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    He saw the writing on the wall, and resigned in disgrace after the House judiciary committee approved articles of impeachment. He was, the judiciary committee said, guilty of interfering or endeavoring to interfere with the conduct of investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

    This is where it's getting Nixonian:

     
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    Since then, the Democrats have taken impeachment for Obstruction off the table.
    Why would they change their minds?
     
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    Again he was not indicted nor did any court say he committed perjury or obstruction of justice unlike Clinton where a court and a grand jury criminal investigation clearly found he did. Yet the Republicans forced him out of office. We don't know what the final vote would have been because he was never impeached.
    The Democrats changed that when they set the precedent that in fact perjury and obstruction of justice were not grounds for removal. They SHOULD HAVE done as the Republicans did and support his removal and then forced him to resign to save the country from the impeachment. But they choose otherwise saying it did not warrant removal from office.

    I don't know why. And Comey better have a LOT more than what he has offered to make the claim that was an obstruction of justice especially as to why he did not pursue a criminal charge.
     
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    Like I said.

    And in some states it's illegal to take pictures near or in a polling station.
     

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