Islam and Islamophobia

There is this thing at the end of the sentence called a question mark. Please clarify. What is your goal for a war with Islam?

 

No. Violence is rarely the answer... I never took you for a 'smash everything thats bad' type... but now Im reconsidering.

 

Nobody wants to man up and offer details of their plan to fix this problem". I am left to my own conclusions

 

The earth is at a major crossroads, too many people,
We have a major war soon, maybe not now, but our kids might see it.
I doubt we have 100 years.
most of civilization will be wiped out, and Islam will not come out on top.

 

The way you describe it no one will come out on top. That makes me worry a lot less about Islam and more about the people with the bomb

 

I'm glad you ignore what is uncomfortable that Islam does TODAY, while you ridicule Christianity for ancient history, and no...I don't agree with your misguided and backwards opinion, in the slightest. Stop being dishonest. King of nonsense, one liners.

 

I don't blame 1.6 billion people for the actions of a fraction of one percent of that number. Lol

 

My guess is that it will start from Islam, Shia Maybe, But somewhere in there.
Then the retaliation will wipe out the rest of us.
Israel has enough nukes to wipe out earth.
shoot a nuke from Iran to Tel Avi, and they probably have a nuke already pointed at every major Islamic city.
They will for all practical purposes, wipe out Islam.

Once the nuclear geni is out of the bottle, there is no way of telling when it will stop.

 

I spend zero amount of time worrying about that and know that bashing Islam would not be the way to fix it

 

Guess what- you cant fix everything. Thats what tolerance is for.

 

I guess I don't see a lot of tolerance in this thread for Islam. Do you?

I see a poster...not you....that seems to feel it is his personal mission to bash Islam anytime he can

 

Only when it comes to Christianity, got it.

 

Well those guys are crazy. Lol

 

So? Tolerance does not require a lack of criticism. Islam has plenty of flaws to bash.

Does this poster advocate for violence or oppression against muslims?

 

Yeah, they are throwing gays off of roofs and mutilating the genitals of female children and requiring women to wear veils and have chaperones in public and not drive.

 

I'm with Matt and Trey on this one, humour is often a way we express criticism.

This is only semi True I know many people on the left and quite a few of them are critical of Islam. My friend's are big into Sam Harris and he's no fan of Islam.
But there is some truth in this.

 

I've often said they can't believe how easy it'll be. But it's Russia we've got to keep an eye on - they're the real enemy! At least they are, according to the UK simplefolk at the MoD and in Westminster.

 

I agree with you, but at the same time, I would like to add that religion in its core value shouldn't be a threat to any civilization. People behaviours are a threat to the peace of any society. Islam, Christianity or Judaism is just accelerators or set of beliefs open to interpretation by different individuals with different attitudes and views. It is true that Muslims social behaviour is creating a real problem for western countries. However, keep in mind that corrupt politicians are responsible for allowing these welfare crowd into their countries. Immigration system all over Europe and the west is broke and in need of repair. It is unbalanced system kicking out hard-working people who integrated into the local societies and replace them with useless junkies called refugees.

 

Islam is no different from Christianity or any other religion in its views about the conversion issue. Jesus in Luke 91:27(But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.) and I can quote from other religious texts intolerance toward non-believers. Pick and choose is the attitude in some people view about Islam. You shouldn't analyze religious texts isolated from the history, politics and social life of certain era. It is the common mistake many ordinary people of even researches commit or intentionally ignore.

 

You shouldn't be using terms when talking with people because this isn't what's all about writing and contributing to this forum. You have the right to critisize Islam and any other religion. In fact, everybody should have the same rights as you. Robert Spencer is just a blogger, author and activist and he isn't immune from criticism. Did you read some of his books? I did. His views on the Jizya(Tribute), violence in Islam, Islam spread by the sword and other argumental issues are wrong. Refute Roberts Spencer claims is time-consuming but not difficult. I will do write some threads about some of his views soon. The point is that people looking for the truth will find it. Otherwise, others just looking to argue. I don't care about religion, and I criticize negatives no matter what religion.

 

Religion, in general, should be about hate. It people that hate not religion.

 

Whatever you claim in the Quran isn't compared to Hos 13:16 and many verses expressing brutality and order to kill disbelievers. And don't go far away, Jesus in 19:27 order to kill the enemies that refuse to believe in him. I didn't write Luke 19:27; however, I don't think Jesus said that but the author of Luke gospel writes so.

 

I'm opposed to the fact to welcome refugees and I define myself as xenophobic. However, I wouldn't call the refugees useless junkies, there is valuable people and extremly dangeorus and problematic people among them. I consider that in their whole, their coming is problematic.

Islam represent for western nations a number of specific problems :
_ Their prophet had the pretention to rule societies when Jesus was more "I don't care".
_ I consider that all the haram/hallal system encourage sectarianism.
_ The veil is problematic because for some muslim, it's to the women to deal with men sexual urges, they consider that women should hide their body so men could controle their sexual pulsions, when I consider it's in the other sense. Men should be able to controle themselves even in front of a naked woman.

Jesus is considered for christian people as an ultimate example, Muhammed for muslims as an ultimate example. One is more problematic than other.

It's true that christianity was extremly violent in the past. But we're not anymore in the past. Today, islamic intolerance is the most problematic.

To be exact, there is many extremly problematic situations in the world :
_ South and central america which have rate of violence and murders which are extremly high.
_ The islamic problem.
_ The political-financial corruption system which is mostly problematic in the western world because those countries are extremly mighty, but corruption is a problem everywhere.

I would prefer to live in Turkey than in Mexico for instance.

About muslims, I would define myself too as an islamophic individual, but I'm more moderate when I consider that many muslims are muslims not because of pure adhesion to the texts but because Islam is first a set of traditions, and they can have good memories of their moment during the ramadan. They're in a way more faithfull to their family than to a text.

 

That's kind of very weak argument, because it put on the same level "Kill the infidels" and the "crucifixion of jesus".
The depiction of violence is something else than a call to violence. If you made a report on the yezidis genocide, you might have a lot violent passages, maybe more violent passages than in an ISIS text calling to the yezidis genocide. A descriptive text is very different than an imperative text.
I don't have any strong opinion about the violence or not of the bible in any sense. However that argument of "violent passages" is a weak argument because he doesn't consider if it's a call to violence or a depiction of violence.

Ideologies in a general way promote hatred and violences. Most people killed during 20th century where killed in name of ideologies like communism, nationalism, freedom, democracy, progress. It's not something specific to religions. Almost all ideologies are hatefull.
Religions are just a specific kind of ideology.

There is a few exceptions like Martin Luther King which was christian.